EVE General Discussion

I do agree up to a point, however, there is "information overload," which is why I suggested the newbie area.

They will be messing about with people their own skill level, no penalties, free stuff, gives them a feel for the game's combat mechanics, whether that is getting wiped out or not is up to them.

Probably not.

However, EVE isn't a sand box - it is a sand dune.
Some kids have ropes and are trying to pull newbies to the top, some just watch them struggle and others throw sand down onto them and try cause avalanches.

A lot of times people don't really understand even their own motivations (or they do and don't like them).

I'm reminded of the old bad joke about the guy who was terrible to his wife despite her begging him to be better. For years he was a world class a-hole, and yet his wife stayed by his side (nagging a bit, but staying). One day he got into a accident and almost died, and in the hospital he realized what an A-hole he had been and pledged to himself to be a better husband. And when he got out, he did just that, he was a real husband and a real man for the 1st time in his life.

And a week later his wife took her things and left while he was out buying her flowers, leaving him a note saying "you've been great this last week....but you're just not the man I fell in love with, bye".

Without the harsh players and the gankers and scammers and CODE and Goons the most strident "space-social-justice" types would have no way to claim "good guy status" and would be gone to the next open world sandbox game just like that. I play Star Trek Online from time to time and all of the EVE refugees who "just couldn't take the a-holes no more!!" don't play sto anymore, but you see them in EVE lol.

Don't forget the ones trying to sell snowshoes to newbies.

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Literally everything you just said is false.

The people who get ganked have the highest retention rates. So clearly, it's forcing new players into mining and missioning that is the true "griefing" here.

Why do you hate new players?

That's a lie. And I mean that, it's an actual intentional untruth, because YOU are here and look at the posters like you. And I'm here and while I am part of a null sec alliance, I'm mostly pve.

Despite what you let yourself think, the divide isn't "killers and collaborative people", it's weak willed people (too weak to deal with competition and such, thus they quit) and stronger willed people (whether they pvp or not) who don't let anything stop them from getting what they want.

This game should never try to cater to the weak willed types, it should remain a game that says "you can do as you wish, pvp, pve, industry, but you have to WANT it, this isn't your average hand holding "everyone is special and everyone gets an award" type game.

That's where other players come in to assist, because those are activities where there is no one pathway that can be spelled out.

There are multiple ways into those activities and it just takes a bit of initiative, which the game rewards immensely because most players will welcome other people willing to do their bit to help/support.

Taking initiative isn't something everyone does naturally. It takes effort for some people, but it's not up to the game to hold hands.

And that's a big point. You were someone who needed "guidance" in a sandbox. Sandbox games are ones where some level of initiative and self starting behavior is necessary, and since most people (especially gamers) don't have a lot of that (which is why most MMOs are directed 'themeparks'), they find themselves in your posistion.

The problem is, rather than look inward at the problem, you and folks like you look outward to find out "where someone else failed". People who find a way to turn that attitude around end up much happier, in game and out.



Nothing is stopping anyone from doing anything, even marmite, however any organization that gets big is going to be a target, because that's the game part of this game.

And if you were honest with yourself, you'd know that without the Marmites and Goons and CODEs of EVE you wouldn't be here either. You need them every bit as much as they need targets as evidence by how much you post against them.

"Crusaders" love to pretend that, if things were just 'right' everything would be ok, and they could kick back, and relax because there is no injustice , non inequality to be fought against. The real truth is that those things define the crusaders, without them, without an enemy to rally against, they have no reason to exist, they be soldiers without a war, cops without criminals.

What's irritating about all that is that the crusader never ever realizes it and looks at those of us who are actually happy enough with the world (virtual or other wise) as the demented ones.

That just means you and I have the ability to be honest about it. I've been fighting Goons since 2008. Though I can't take REAL credit, I will say that TEST and Goons were blue as blue could get....till I joined TEST , next ting you kow, Fountain War (lol and yes I know i had nothing to do with it, just personally find it funny as hell).

My game experience would have been a lot less enjoyable without Goons or someone like them. The people who try to 'meta-game' away people they don't like (by lobbying CCP to change the game so that they will leave) are the same people who ignorantly believe that a soccer match would be so much fun if the other team didn't show up lol. in reality, a match where the other team doesn't show up is just called "practice'