Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The more supers you try to store, the more obvious it will be, since the XL-SMAs have very few other uses, are gigantic, and can each only hold one titan. Using them makes it obvious what you're doing to anybody who bothers to look, unlike for items stored secretly in a station.

Question: Will you be able to moor (making your ship invulnerable), and then initiate a safe logout (which removes your ship from space)?

...the ability to maybe take your char out of the coffin once in a while?... dosent hurt right...?

Hi,

As I asked at the roundtable group at Fanfest (haven't read all the replies and posts here yet - sorry).

Firstly getting rid of the code and issues around POS and POS shield is good thing and something we all have known we have needed for some time.

Second - mooring looks cool and more realistic, but it essentially trying as I understand it too only replace leaving a ship manned or unmanned as in a POS shield right now. (Not to be confused with docking) which i believe is possible for current ships as in in the maybe large and xl large structures.

Thirdly in regards to intel, ships not logged off in a POS shield are scanable now, so I see no difference from the current mechanic now, although has anyone cleared up what happens to moored ships when they log off?

If they stay there, visibly then I see that as a potential issue with intel, also the poor dude who logs back in a few days later after being ill could find in some trouble, I suggest that if they log off, they disappear like now, with no intel and no ship in space otherwise they be to many and space issues for mooring ships?

They need a safe way to log in and jump out as they do in shielded POS's right now, so a log in and get out safely mechanic needs to be provided in some form.

We spoke at Fanfest about the fact that enemy ships may be able to enter the mooring space but ships moored are invulnerable, however supers or caps would get camped by hundreds of ships waiting for the pilot to unmoor and just meta game the **** at of it.

In general moored ships on or offline should be at similar levels of risk as they are now in POS's with some tweaks in my view.

Logging off in space is still available as an option for super and titan pilots - although I do think it's time supers and titans can dock in new XL structures designed for that and remove this issue. They are still huggly expensive, risky to activly use as they should be but lets just make owning one not a punishment.

Before all the rage haters out there of Supers & Titans go nuts, remember these things cannot dock, require additional accounts & plex to sit in one and the cost of the ship, the additional accounts to fly and store the ship are emmense and ideally we want these ships to be still end game desired ships for those pilots that want to own and fly them.
Costly - Yes
Difficult - Yes
Risky in active use - Yes
Stupid to own - No
Players time and investment in game positivly rewarded players achievements and investments in time & money.

With current structure grinding ending & with new structures to be taken by entossis link method's the role & use of big ships is in need of looking at urgently - essentially they need to be used in fleets fights with new support & active offensive capabilities the collection of nerfs on these is too much & even though most do not know these ships play a huge part of any industry chain from high sec in the supporting chain of creating, losing and making these ships.

I agree with all that when someone logs in and then moves a Titan or Super into active use or harm's way then they are indeed at risk and all bets are off.

I also like to see the defenders and owners of the systems get more defensive toys (whether big or small) have some addition defensive measures effects possible.

Such as:

a) Gate fitting is coming it would seem or at least deployable defence stuctures so it would be good if new structures would stop incoming cyno's, limiting gate jumps or thier mass allowed. (Beefing up Black ops to be useful ebhind enemy lines again).

b) Able to reducing WH appearance (ihubs can increase these but there is no in game mechanic to reduce them & thats not very balanced for owners of their space) not saying stop them but just reduce % spawning.
c) Masking moored items?
d) Increasing mooring or cloaked mooring?
e) Defensive guns and ecm etc around mooring and other structures that players can actively control

There are some issues for smaller guys of course as we all wants thinks to blow up, but RL players do not or cannot play 24/7 so balance is essential between active fun exlosive fun and players invested and not online 24/7.

Good luck & very interesting changes to come.

PS. Fanfest 2015 was awesome guys - thanks for everything!

Hans

not even walking out of the thing once in a while? not gonna question your playstyle but what if we want to make it so that you dont need a toon for each super cap you got? thats a lot of cash to pay each month dude

granted the problems of MY TITAN are a minor issue in game balance but when you're designing a system for MY TITAN you should be aware that while i'm willing to risk flying it around myself, my willingness to risk it on someone else's dumb mistakes or being logged out too long is rather miniscule. I think the only time I'd moor is if pos had been entirely removed and it was a system i couldn't manage to do a safe logout in.

I have to agree with the brave person,

there's an incredible issue of ccp dev not understanding that these level of pilots have not just 1 but perhaps 2 or even 10 caps as spares.

so ccp dude... what about them?

what happens when all the caps needed and must be moored on day 1? .. you're litteraly forcing tons of structures be in demand just to park them all.

tunnel-vision have we?

the mooring idea is a bad one and unfeasible cause folks have multiple caps, rorquals, super caps, and titans..

you're going to turn our space into a junkyard of parked ships.

if I need to leave MY TITAN for 10m it's no problem, I just put up an xlsma in my altcorp or just eject after scrambling the pass and disallowing alliance entry. it's just dumb as hell to do either for more than 10m.

for the same reason i do not store MY TITAN in my own XLSMA in a corp nobody else has access to: because it's making my titan vulnerable 100% of the time i'm logged out, and also vulnerable to "whoops, forgot to fuel that tower" compared to just logging out where i'm vulnerable 0% of the time

as a titan is a fairly low-use thing it is logged out most of the time (mine has been logged in less than an hour all year)

it's just a solution in search of a problem, i don't get why anyone would use it. if you've conjured up enough isk for a titan you can conjure up an alt for one of the other two slots on the account for whatever else you'd want to use the account for.

Even if mooring supercapital ships isn't a strong long-term solution for storage, I still feel it's worth having, if only so a supercapital ship doesn't necessarily have to rely on a hauling alt to refuel and replenish its materiel.