Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The planetary launch thing is probably the best mechanic. Just say give the players a month or two to gather their stuff, then let it be scanned out by anyone. Split up the pods into different categories, and have multiple lauches. So like one launch has my machariel, one has my titan BPO, one has a carrier, one has 1m m^3 of trit. I can say, warp to the BPO in an inty and retrieve it without putting everything at risk. Then later i can grab the carrier, use it to grab the mach, and jump out. After a month, the trit goes FFA and some dude scans it out.

I'm really excited to see the structures work in space.

But maybe I should ask my favorite carebear questions at this place.

Which thoughts have made about structures and their safety in HiSec? I know, nothing is safe finally. Should they be able to blow up at once or running a reinforced mode?

Under which circumstances I'm allowed to build structures in Hisec or "NPC sovereignity" areas?
Does it works with security status and/or faction standing? What would me prevent from "item destruction wardecs"? It makes no sense to own expensive structures only to provide destructable items for wardeccers.

Are highsec structures in general limited to PvP alliances or corps who are protected by them who are online 24x7, like POCOs yet?
Or should they are possible for everybody easily to flood the highsec with?

Would NPC stations become destructable? Should I move my stuff around every week? This could be a reason to quit for me. Promised.

Love and fear run hand in hand...

My Alliance has eight doctrines. That's probably about average for coalition-based alliances. Of those doctrines, four have alternate fits. Two are Caps. I also own a Dreadnought (like many null sec people).

- I go on holiday for two weeks, lying on a beach somewhere. I'm still subscribing to the game therefore I'm still technically an active account but I'm away from the game for legitimate real life reasons. I get back, I log on and everything has gone boom, and the timer has expired. All my stuff has gone. Billions of ISK of assets are gone because I wanted to go on holiday with the wife and kids.

Why would I live in Sov-null?

- I am on deployment with my Alliance somewhere, taking the fight to enemy territory. Our stuff is attacked and we loose the timer. It goes boom. I've now got to bring in a freighter to haul my Caps, my Battleships, my Cruisers, my Frigates plus whatever roaming and ratting/mining assets I have in the area back to the nearest station/structure. Rather than being on deployment, having fun with my space-friends, I'm sat hauling my stuff day after day because I need an escort and/or scouts to reclaim my stuff. What happens if I don't own a Freighter? Can't move my Caps.

Why would I live in Sov-null?


Just a couple of scenarios. I can think of others. Let me be clear. I do not want total safety of our investment but having anything you dock in and store assets in being able to be destroyed is a unimaginably bad idea. The system works perfectly fine right now. I can blow up POS, POCOS, iHubs and TCUs but I cannot blow up Stations/Outposts. Why do you have to change this dynamic of the game? It works perfectly fine. In the new system we could blow up moon miners, scanning arrays, billboards, monuments, administration hubs and it will be no different to how the game is played now.

If you persist in this ridiculous idea of making people's assets vulnerable to ejection then forcing them in to a gameplay element they find about as fun as a poke in the eye then people will simply cease to store their assets in destructible structures and use NPC stations (where available) or simply move out of null sec altogether (where NPC stations are unavailable). These plans are ill advised and will drive people out of sovereign null. Leave the dynamic as it is, please.

Finally, what if you're sat in the Captain's Quarters when the thing blows up? Honestly, CCP, for all the world this sounds like someone tossed an idea out there and you've posted it as a proposal without thinking things through.

First option is to have the structure turn into a wreck - fitted structure modules could drop as loot, while items inside the structure would only be accessible to their rightful owner(s), possibly through salvaging. Users docked at the time of the structure destruction would still be docked inside the wreck, but unable to dock back should they exit.

this is the only reasonable option
- there must be a reason and reward for attacking a structure or whats the point?
- if a station gets destroyed (turned into wreck) whats too suggest a launch would still be working?
- for ships and items they should be hackable too retrieve for aggressors ( again reward for the effort)

This sounds like a hilariously bad idea if it is going to apply to outposts. If I want to unsub for a while, or go on vacation, or even just take a break, there is a chance I could lose my ships and stuff through no fault of my own? If that were the case every time I wanted to step away from the game I would need to evacuate everything I own in null to either an NPC station (assuming they will still in invulnerable), sell it, or stash it all into freighter/bowhead/carrier alts and log off in safe spots in lowsec? Sounds like an incredible hassle. Not my idea of fun gameplay.

I appear to be able to see only one option. It goes a little like: Give us the bloody loot, this is EVE, not Hello Kitty Online, if your **** gets blown up and stolen, deal with it. "Safety" Mechanics are completely illogical. Why not do the same for destroyed ships. I'm sure it'll be the same demographic as this. If I have something stored in a POS and it gets blown up, boo-hoo. My fault for leaving my assets in a vulnerable location. And the aggressors get to enjoy a nice load of loot.

TL,DR; "Safety" Mechanics are bad. Risk vs Reward. CCPlis, gieff loot.

Not a fan of 100% destruction of assets, but a solution may be in the insurance that can be bought for ships.

What if all assets were insurable at levels of 25%, 50%, 75%, and 100% using the averaged values that show in the inventory window at the time of the insurance purchase. This would become an ISK sink to remove excess ISK from the game, and provide payouts for insured items when/if a station is destroyed. The valuation would need to look at the full replacement cost of a ship (hull, rigs, and modules).

Maybe the insurance is a set value of assets in that station rather than per item, say 50% insurance on up to 100 bil of assets at station X. If station X gets destroyed I get 50% the value of the loss as long as I bought the insurance and had over 100 bil in assets in the station. This would be easier than per item insurance, and better than having to try to go back to hostile space to retrieve a ton of ships. Would also allow hostiles to get loot from the station as there is no thoughts of returning to gather assets by the previous holders so drops could happen from the entire asset pool held in the station.

This would require so work on the insurance system clearly, but would help server load by requiring payout calculation on when stations are destroyed and maybe put it off until the following downtime for payouts to be calculated.

XL Structure Loot Kersplosion Brainstorming:


People inside die and wake up at their clone station, or clone station moves per normal rules if that base was your clone base.

Moored ships break free - maybe should take some amount of damage. Small ships die?

Generate 10 wreckage/can things with unlimited capacity, (extraction only of course). Everything goes randomly into these cans.

You use salvagers to recover loot. You hack your way in to recover blueprints, datacores. Only structure modules can be directly looted from the wreck.

Rorquals could get a new role as super salvagers, capable of extracting ships from this wreckage. Maybe the Bowhead gets a ship tractor beam.

1 wreckage can is accessible to everyone - at the main wreckage site. The other 9 could scatter to their own grids and only allow loot you own to drop when salvaged.

The area could turn into a non-warpable deadspace pocket (too much debris to warp) and the other 9 just float around in that pocket.

After X+64 days, these other cans could start to become hackable/salvageable by anyone, where X is a slightly random number and 64 is replaced by whatever is deemed reasonable for vacationers/bittervets to login and figure out how to get their stuffs.

Each salvage / hack attempt should only generate maybe 5k m^3 of stuff, or one container of any size - this should be a drawn-out process.

Talk about content generation for the next few weeks!



Let's face it - these are alliance+ level structures. It took that many people to build it, live in it an defend it. It should take a lot of people to go salvage it and protect that operation. It took hundreds of trips to fill with goodies - it should take a good while to extract it all too. Teleportation anywhere is lame and exploitable.

I had an idea of using a mechanic that slowly degrades the items inside the wreck slowly over time. And that the original owners should get first option of looting it, but it should be open to anyone after a period of time.

An example of what I mean is this:

1) John T Miner owns 2 ventures and a stack of veldspar that is 100,000 units in size in a destructible station.

2) On a Friday night, Bad Guy Alliance comes and reinforces the station using the entosis links during the vulnerability window.

3) Sunday evening is when the station comes out of reinforced mode, John T Miner's alliance fails to keep the station, allowing it to go into freeport mode.

4) On Tuesday evening, Bad Guy alliance destroys the station instead of capturing it, through whatever mechanic exists for that system.

5) For the next 3 days, until Friday night, only the owners of the items inside the wreck may loot their items. Every time the server comes up from down time, all items receive some percentage of damage. Say 0 % to 5%. The damage should apply to all modules and ships, either stored or fitted. Any stacks of non-module materials would have 0% to 5% go away every downtime. I suggest 3 days because at this point, the defenders have had every day of the week to apply some effort in saving their items. Either in defense, or evacuation. This way, people who have limited play days are still engaged.

6) After the 3rd downtime after the station is exploded, now anyone can loot the wreck. The wreck would contain a different sub-container for each person's unique hanger, and corporate hangers. I suggest that the identity of the hanger owner be displayed on the container because this allows things such as spies trying to get things returned, or allows ransoming of someone's hanger, or other emergent gameplay. In order to access it, you need to activate a salvage module on it, even if it's your hanger container. This is tied to the previous reason, but also makes it so even the owners need to have some kind of grid control after their grace period.

7) The damage mechanic continues to apply every downtime, only the chances increase to 5% to 10%. Once a module or ship goes to 0%, in it's place should be some salvage items based on meta level and size.

8) After 2 more weeks the wreck becomes destructible.



I believe a system as I describe above, or something similar, allows for various types of gameplay between groups of players. If someone is coming by and reffing your station just to be jerks, then it still sucks, but you don't lose everything. If someone wants to loot your stuff though, they have to control the space, which is a big part of what the new sov system seems to be trying to do.

At least blowing up a large and xtra-large structure should not be desirable at all.
My goal would be capturing structures in order to get access to features, that the recent owner not has self-destructed.

Ninja production or stealing blueprints from running slots. Temporary or finally take over of sovereignity. Grab the taxes from market orders and so on.

Well you might no get your hands at all foreign assets in hangars but you can thief a lot of running stuff.

In 0.0 sovereignity will bring bonusses to defenders. So far it should be possible to carry away some stuff in providence of loosing a structure. Maybe we should not divide one topic from another one.

And please... please do not start an aggressor vs defender flame within this thread. Both sides have a right to be heard.
And as always: the truth is anywhere in between. (...not only out there.)