Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And I'll add something else that came to mind.

Currently, the bump mechanics can be fairly unkind to Supercapitals. They are slow-moving, and a bump off a structure can take minutes to correct (with slowing down and then likely having to bounce since you'll be stranded within the "too close to warp" distance). At present, POSes are fairly "safe", in that you have quite a wide radius so you can make sure your log-out point is a good distance from the stick, so when you warp back to your parking spot or come out of log-in warp, you don't bump. With bubble safety gone, warping in to mooring spots could become fairly hazardous - unless the radius from the structure is reasonably sized, or you can activate a "Moor" function on the structure in order to have it "collect" a ship from a good distance out, you'll be constantly chancing bouncing off the structure.

Then you have the other side of the equation, undocking. Supers slow speed means manoevering around structures to warp out can be an exercise in annoyance if you are moored the wrong side of a structure from where you want to warp. If the mooring mechanic tucks ships in quite tight, half the potential mooring space might be a waste, as pilots trying to use them crawl, bounce, and wobble their ship around the structure. A possible solution could be a small "undock-push" to free the ship of the structure, but that potentially brings back the danger of bouncing out of moor range.

Either way, if this is done wrong, there is potential for many hilarious kills of ships stranded on or just off structures.

So an invisible forcefield?

I would prefer a forcefield that I can see.

What's the point of mooring? Genuine question this, not being funny. Why would I want to moor? Why am I doing this? It's not been explained what the reason behind wanting to do this is? To access cloning? To access fitting? Certainly not accessing the market since you're separating this from the main docking area? Why am I mooring? We can't debate the pros and cons of the idea without this question being

expensive is relative if you want it to be expensive for every one then the only ones that could afford it are just like now large groups


and i feel empowering smaller groups is better than forcing larger ones


that said no this should not just be something one guy could afford easily either

Also, will there be a way for owners to "lock" mooring to ship classes? Since otherwise you can imagine the annoyance of people mooring all manner of crap, stopping Capitals and Supercapitals getting in to the mooring radius (especially as Moored objects wont be bumpable, even a couple of frigates or noobships could block an area out preventing Caps and Supers from squeezing in.

I don't know why you don't just do this instead of making things difficult for yourself, code and balance wise, with mooring. Intel is the only thing gained over actually docking the super in the station as opposed to mooring. Everything else is the same; cyno into moor radius, mooring games, etc. Yes you get emergent gameplay like hellcamping the station but again, exactly the same as docking.

Intel wouldn't be different to how it is now, with people logging off in POS's and their ships disappearing with them, and we seem to do just fine with super intel. Locator agents, killboards etc are all just as effective as seeing the actual super moored there on station, if not more so due to their range and ease.

Of course docking supers is a big thing, so perhaps balance it with the introduction of your new station sizes. Stations require upgrades to go to your max size (ie 100km or so), and those upgrades simultaneously allow for supers and maybe titans to be docked. The majority of lowsec would not have these stations, save for a select few (hello emergent gameplay), which would prevent risk free travel of supers across Eve without proper preparation.

/2c and the 2c of hundreds of super pilots

because then i can store a bunch of suppers rather than have limited space for them that is the reason the can' dock now


there would be a **** tone more suppers if we could store them as ships rather than components

its for when you are logged on not off just like in a pos shield

no you can not have certain types of containers like a silo in the hold but yes most things are fine

I can log off at a safe in low sec. Can't be bubbled, can't be tackled. Take proper precautions and it'll be safer than mooring, especially if entire fleets log off in the same spot. What happens to my ship when I log off? Do I pop out of space? If I do pop out of space and I'm moored, can someone else moor at the same spot? How do they know I'm there? What happens if the structure I'm moored at is attacked? Am I suddenly vulnerable to being attacked with no hope of being able to escape or fight back because I'm not online? If I'm 'ejected' somewhere in the system, can I not simply be scanned down and attacked? How many mooring slots do we get? What happens to the rest of the fleet? What if we have more Supers than systems?

What I'm getting at here is that mooring should be a short term solution to allowing you to 'dock' in order to access something you need to be able to access. CCP should not remove POS, POS should simply be restricted to being mobile deployable shields. There's too many unanswered questions and the whole thing as a long term solution opens a can of worms.