EVE Fiction

Vol ckang removed a lot of well sourced and linked content from the Evelopedia just before the recent patch. Many of those page have subsequently been locked by ISD as part of the recent patch. However ISD are not fixing problems he's introduced and the locks are blocking other regular and diligent contributors from fixing things in many cases.

Lianda Bureau, now vs before Vol ckang's edit.

Takmahl before vs after Vol ckang's edit.

Wormholes before and after Vol ckang edit.

In addition he (Vol ckang) has made a lot new entries that very poorly written, containing miss-spelling, poor grammar and unsourced/cited content, such as

Hilen Turkoss (miss-spelt) vs Hilen Tukoss spelt correctly

Why these pages, they are mostly just lists, flout existing conventions and categories exist for most already.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planets
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Items_(technology)#Domestic - pointless
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Flora_and_fauna_(NPCs) - Uh? Why NPCs
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Items_(technology) - pointless page for content
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente_(NPCs)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_(NPCs)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unnamed_NPCs

Why when correct pages already exist
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vherokior_tribe
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vherokior
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vherokior_tribe_(NPC_corporation)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/University_of_Caille
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/University_of_Caille_(NPC_corporation)

Pretty much everything posted by this account (Vol ckang) is useless and needs fixing in some way, however nearly all the pages he's edit even those written by other contributors. The ISD Wiki-team is failing to keep control of him and even helping him by locking articles with obvious errors and broken links and therefore stopping some of the many regular contributors from fixing things.

Also Vol ckang has created a stub articles for nearly every NPC corporation and added them to the Category:NPC_Corporations, cluttering up an already busy category.

I'm sure that while the wiki has a lot of stuff already included on launch, there's still a lot being worked on as there are a lot of areas that haven't been covered.

No doubt that's why there's broken links and stuff, they'll more than likely fill up as more and more PF is added I guess. Patience is a virtue, personally I think the new wiki looks awesome ^_^

There are alot of options to spreading the linkyness around. The question is access and controling how the links are shown. Alot of the work can not be done at the user level.

In article links are good for the Lore sections but straight up headers like in the item data base need to slimed down so they can be used else where.


Ships Technology as a Category is already starting to be used and is a good start but needs to standardized as soon as possible.

But it needs more then that.

A thin standard header on all pages seams the best way to go so it is easy to edit with Tech or Lore links easily shown. I would add a (Users manuel) link too and then rename all the articles in the guide section "(Users Manuals)"

Category links should be for the advanced user and site maintance not the main way of looking around. If they are Category links need to be shown at the top of the page.

A lot of renaming and auto linking would need to be done. All item data base entries would need to be renamed with tech or skill book added in "(_)" To clearify the diffrance. With the User Manuel Sections split off into seperate articals. Right now jumping into a data base page is a dead end for the new user.

The problem with the database entries is that there is no way to know until you scroll down there is info there. Only clue is the slide bar size on the window you are using.

TL/DR
Add a thin header at the top of all pages in the Wiki With "Lore, Ship Tech, Users manual" other links where approriate so all the important info is easier to find on a specific ship, planet, Corp.

This header would have to appear at the bottom of the database items articles but if it is standard and viewable in a standared window it should work as well.

Hm yes, I think do not think Vol ckang is some random user, Wyke. He is not the only 'Vol' that did changes either as I can spot Vol sharea too. Besides they bear the trait of CCP edits which is not getting a (Protected "***" [edit=sysop:move=sysop])
after every edit.

This is on purpose.

You could then fairfully point out the contradictions between stating that the Takmahls were expelled from the Amarr Empire for unknown reasons while also telling us they got expelled because they were Sani Sabik. That last part is btw. quite a confirmation on the speculations we have been presentig in the A'J project.

Don't forget the annoying binary-system-only-jumpgate thing...

@CCP Abraxas,

I'm not criticising the overhaul, I was trying to flag up a specific problem with some specific concrete examples.

I called it vandalism because it is not just odd examples of errors, it is literally every page he has changed. Don't take my word for it, just look through Vol ckang posting history yourself.

He's deleted (by replacement) numerous pages of existing well cited content, with barely literate content riddled with grammar and spelling errors (and even on my worse days I'm a long way from being the grammar police) and few if any cites. This would not be a problem if Evelopedia was functioning like a real Wiki, but it isn't because now nearly every page is being locked. Wikis benefit from many editors improving the content continuously (the many eyeballs argument) and the Evelopedia is no different. The amount of high quality content has increased greatly this year from player contributions. The very recent proliferation of locking means that it is currently functioning like a content management system not a Wiki, if that is what you want then don't be surprised when players return to putting their efforts and content out there on the web instead.

Regarding categories, I'm not criticising 'pointless' categories the criticism is levelled at his new list pages where perfectly adequate categories already exist.

A good way to handle the generated content mixed with wiki content would be like the Systems or the Item database, those worked well and I see no reason to think that approach would not work equally well with corporations.

I'm not sure you're understanding what the Fiction Portal is. They're going through and replacing all of the Fiction content with specific lore pages. The ones that were "good" that got replaced with poor quality ones are simply pages that have not been fully fleshed out yet.

If you look at the articles for people like Jamyl Sarum, Yonis Ardishapur, or the like, you'll see the difference. Those articles not only have information from the chrons and news articles, but additional info on things like their early lives. That's the sort of stuff that players have no access to and cannot write. You might also noticed that those pages, which are clearly of much higher quality than what came before, were also put up by the person you believe to have committed vandalizations. So perhaps it was merely a dummy account being used to port stuff over rather than some evil volunteer out to ruin the hard work of others as you seem to believe.

The category pages you claim are so great are, in fact, simply organized alphabetically, while new ones are broken down further into individual indexes. Before, if you wanted to learn about temperate planets, you could go to the category list for planets and then have to figure out which were temperate. Now you can go to a Planets page, look at the Temperate planets list, and browse through that. If you believe there is a better way to do this, you can try presenting it instead of simply saying it's bad.

As for the splitting of NPC corporations from their database pages, I would say that the old way of doing things was terrible. If I want to look up what's in their LP store, I don't want to have to wade through pages of fiction, and vice versa. Splitting them from each other is obviously the way to go in order to make sure people looking for game mechanical help are not having to sort through a bunch of fiction stuff to find it. And as the fiction stuff is written in a semi-in character manner, having it filled with a bunch of game mechanics would be jarring.

As for the quality of articles, many of them are clearly placeholders. They have things like the "Fiction Stub" template on it, though it seems like not every stub is properly tagged as one. This has got to be a huge job; consider the amount of information that needs to be collected, written up, cleaned, and then double checked.

As for things like Hilen Turkoss instead of Hilen Tukoss, that's probably a typo that no one noticed in the first pass. Hopefully it will be something they can clean up.

maybe those categories are no longer in use?

vol ckang is an ISD Mercury volunteer, guys. Chill the **** out. He's legit.

And people who didn't jump to alarmist conclusions of "OMG VANDALISM!!!!11!1!1!11oneoneeleven" might have figured this out on day 1 like I did.