Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One thing I would like to point out specifically here is that you are comparing getting 1 skill to level 5 to getting an entire ship and several skills to level 5.

To use your example specifically, there are 2 skills that affect ship speed. You have Acceleration control and Navigation, both give a 5% bonus per level, and they are a total of a 5x multiplier. So you have a 50% increase in speed for your personal skills (Not including implants).

From there to get to the fabled 30.19% boost in speed while under a prop mod, you have to train an alt up for Command Ships, Warfare Link Specialist, and Skirmish Warfare Specialist all to 5 which those 3 skills themselves are a 19x multiplier (Not including the implant training or any of the other prerequisite skills).

So you cannot argue time as a balancing factor because there is already a much higher bonus for a much shorter training time by using your personal skills vs solely relying on boosts.

With that said, to help preserve any delicate balancing that has happened in the past, any nerf that we see to boosts in the overall amount should be done with a corresponding buff to all the ships/modules as a result.

I am 95% on board with this. Could be polished with the issues that 'no lifers' will still just have all the links but more alts and the weapon timer on gate is a death sentence. Although arguably the same can be said for any ship that engages modules on a gate.

If Command Processors are going to be eliminated (and attributes for Warfare Links combined), I think Strategic Cruisers should be restricted to one, Command Ships to two, Carriers to three and Suppercarriers and Titans to four. This will further capitals roles as flagships.


Excellent suggestion.


The only suggestion I have here is to change one of the attributes of the Skirmish Warfare Links:
• 0.6% bonus to fleet inertia replaces 0.6% reduction to fleet's signature radius

If the problem is off grid boosters in pvp, then should we make the answer a way to make them a target for pvp? I think we all like incursions with boosters and 10/10 ded sites with them too. So if you want to make them killable why not make them more like cynos? with some thing that makes them more vulnerable maybe something like a massive (titan sized) sig bloom and make the cycle time 5 mins (like siege) meaning that yes you would have to have a combat scanner in fleet but it would take just seconds to get a scan on boosters; which makes sence if you're broadcasting something 200+ ships in system you would think it would be easy to find and if either you got transferred aggression or a weapons timer then you could not use log out/log in tricks.

Also I like the idea of scripts and moving all 3 links into 1 mod for each race and then changing it so you only command ships can use 2 at once (because they need to be unique) and then lower the base for the mod but increasing the ship bonuses for t3 and command ships or even giving different ships bonuses to different parts of links( so nighthawks are better for shield resist and vultures are better at cap usage) making which command ship you used much more involved then which can fit 6 links or be the best brink tanked

I have never, ever used a link alt, and I have never provided off grid boosts. The only Leadership skill I have NOT trained is the 2nd level of mining, and I have been highly vocal any chance I could get to promote ON GRID boosting as the only way to fly.

I like the idea of a single module having all 3 boosts for a given category. A large reason Eos has always been my favorite command is the simple fact that it could give a full compliment of boosts while being in the middle of the brawl AND still applying almost appropriate for its hull size damage.

Havent done any math to decide what I would like to see on a boost percent just yet.


The other idea I had was flag sharing. If a player picks up suspect/criminal flags for helping a suspect/criminal, etc. then boosting them should do the same. The code already exists to identify who is boosting whom, maybe it would be a simple matter to be able to pass the information back to flag the links.


Now that I think about it...if something like this went live, with how strong pure combat fit commands can be, I could almost see the alt[n turn the other direction. People in fleet with themselves just so their command gets the link bonus :p



disclaimer: i LOVE command ships, i LOVE providing on grid links, and if my wallet could afford it, I'd fly commands in combat every freaking day.

The information warfare link could also be split up even further with a specific scripts for the specific E-wars.

I'm concerned these bonuses can be to strong, when stacked with other bonuses. We get up to 3 sets of bonuses on a fleet, using the Fleet/Wing/Squad commander positions. What if the fleet was in armor HACs, and the links were Passive Defense, Evasive Maneuvers, and Rapid Deployment. Now we have a ship that already has a great speed/sig ratio, and you toss in that you are getting it 9.7% bonus per level (over the roughly 6% now), add in that you are giving them a sig radius reduction of 9.7% (over the roughly 8% now) and 9.7% MWD/AB speed boost (over the 8% now) and you can get some extremely strong effects. This all adds into the fact that the leadership skills themselves add bonuses to a fleet (such ass Armored Warfare's 2% armor HP per level, and Skirmish Warfare's 2% agility per level).


I see what you are trying to do, but in several fleet doctrines we only need two or three bonuses, so in those case you are going to make the fleet extremely over powered, because the FC's are not choosing between one bonus and another. This will result in CCP needing to do some serious rebalancing across dozens or more ships, and ultimately be too time consuming when we have ships now that are in dire need to rebalancing,

Not a bad concept, but I would add in a few other items.

1) inactive links need to boost your sig radius (meaning your easier to lock and shoot while they are turned off)

2) Active links need to reduce your sensor strength by 80 to 90% (basically your sig returns to normal, but you are much easier to probe out). basically kills the eccm deal.

3) Active links penalize the velocity bonus of afterburner and microwarp drive modules (similar to what what a warp disruption field generator does). (no more 2 to 4kM speeding link boosters).

The rest is fine.

why would an offline module make you easier to target? if it was online and doing this I would agree with this more as your emitting a signal that can be used to lock on to easier.

Velocity bonus I can agree to only if it stays an offgrid, if its going to turn into an on grid booster one day your going to want all the speed you can get as the interceptor chases you down

I've run into my share of cloaky interdiction nullified off grid t3 boosters. Trying to catch them on a gate sucks.

This is solely regarding off grid boosters. If they all turned into ongrid boosters all of the above can be tossed.