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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Velani Askiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1641 - 2011-12-23 20:41:22 UTC
robbyx wrote:
Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?


Because we like to have more possiblies in an spaceship game other than just spaceships. Having more to do would be just cool in an Sandbox game you know?

robbyx wrote:

You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.


Sure we could, but then we don't have spaceships.

robbyx wrote:

Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games. Roll


True, but even in the STAR WARS movies while they were in heavy WAR they played board games to relax and have some fun, just to give you an example how this would make indeed sense, even in EVE ;)
robbyx
#1642 - 2011-12-23 20:57:38 UTC
Velani Askiras wrote:
robbyx wrote:
Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?


Because we like to have more possiblies in an spaceship game other than just spaceships. Having more to do would be just cool in an Sandbox game you know?

robbyx wrote:

You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.


Sure we could, but then we don't have spaceships.

robbyx wrote:

Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games. Roll


True, but even in the STAR WARS movies while they were in heavy WAR they played board games to relax and have some fun, just to give you an example how this would make indeed sense, even in EVE ;)





1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?

2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.

3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.
Velani Askiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1643 - 2011-12-23 21:10:53 UTC
robbyx wrote:

1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?

2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.

3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.



1. Obviously you missed the point, because In your examples it does indeed sound stupid. Spaceships in BF3 make zero sense, same with armoured vehicles in D&D.
Board games have been a part in every era, so it isn't wrong at all to ask for such an feature if it looks like that it would be possible to pull it off. With Incarna / CQ it seems possible. It is not a must, just an example what could be implemented.

2. Depends what game it is.

3. Of course they played only one game in the movie, it would be quite boring to show off 6 hours STAR WARS dudes while they play just board games!
Fact is in an Sci-Fi world board games simply exist and with Incarna and CQ, if it is possible, why not? Nobody forces you to make use of it. Nobody forces you to go mining in EVE, in low sec, 0 sec, PI, manufacturing etc. You get the idea hopefully.
robbyx
#1644 - 2011-12-23 21:15:38 UTC
Velani Askiras wrote:
robbyx wrote:

1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?

2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.

3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.



1. Obviously you missed the point, because In your examples it does indeed sound stupid. Spaceships in BF3 make zero sense, same with armoured vehicles in D&D.
Board games have been a part in every era, so it isn't wrong at all to ask for such an feature if it looks like that it would be possible to pull it off. With Incarna / CQ it seems possible. It is not a must, just an example what could be implemented.

2. Depends what game it is.

3. Of course they played only one game in the movie, it would be quite boring to show off 6 hours STAR WARS dudes while they play just board games!
Fact is in an Sci-Fi world board games simply exist and with Incarna and CQ, if it is possible, why not? Nobody forces you to make use of it. Nobody forces you to go mining in EVE, in low sec, 0 sec, PI, manufacturing etc. You get the idea hopefully.








Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?
Podcorn
Doomheim
#1645 - 2011-12-23 21:16:59 UTC
robbyx wrote:
Velani Askiras wrote:
robbyx wrote:
Why in the name of Satans sausage are you paying a subscription to a game about spaceships so you can go play board games in a little room with your little friends...you know you could quit EVE and just do that online without having to pay for it , right ?


Because we like to have more possiblies in an spaceship game other than just spaceships. Having more to do would be just cool in an Sandbox game you know?

robbyx wrote:

You know you could go play hello kitty or the Sims and invite your friends to your house, and you could play games, pick pretty colours for the new bedroom you just added to your house, show him the new anal beads you just bought, and see where that leads.


Sure we could, but then we don't have spaceships.

robbyx wrote:

Seriously, the is EVE, its a cold, harsh unforgiving universe which evolves around spaceships getting blown up...and your talking about playing board games. Roll


True, but even in the STAR WARS movies while they were in heavy WAR they played board games to relax and have some fun, just to give you an example how this would make indeed sense, even in EVE ;)





1...so i should go to EA and ask them to implement spaceships into BF3 because it would be fun and give us more to do ? i should also ask Turbine to add armoured vehicles to Dungeons and Dragons online because it would be fun and give us more to do right ?....see how stupid that sounds ?

2...I play other games that dont have spaceships, doesnt mean im stupid enough to ask for them to be implemented in those games.

3...They played one game, on their way to some far of system, not while they were in "heavy war"....you know there is a Star wars game out now, go there and ask for board games.



Board games would be something to do in station instead of spinning your ship like a monkey.

Why do you spin your ship? .. like a monkey? vOv I don't care or judge.

A strategy game (which has already been developed) called SecWars or something.. would be something to do with someone in game, at an establishment, players (even not playing) could wager on the outcome. There could be rigged games, scamming, personal conflicts, 'smack'.

That is content.

Why do you talk in local? It seems pointless and not about spaceships? Why don't you join an AOL chatroom?

Your argument is as ridiculous as you are ********.
Velani Askiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1646 - 2011-12-23 21:19:39 UTC
robbyx wrote:


Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?


No!

I wrote earlier in this thread, focus on FIS!
Devote a small team to WIS if possible. If not then maybe later.

Don't get me wrong, i do not want to see wasted time either.

This needs serious thinking before touching WIS again.

Board Games is just an example, not a must
robbyx
#1647 - 2011-12-23 21:27:23 UTC
Velani Askiras wrote:
robbyx wrote:


Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?


No!

I wrote earlier in this thread, focus on FIS!
Devote a small team to WIS if possible. If not then maybe later.

Don't get me wrong, i do not want to see wasted time either.

This needs serious thinking before touching WIS again.

Board Games is just an example, not a must


Well then i guess we are mostly in agreement, however i would not call board games a good example, and if WiS is ever going to be looked at again it should be relevant to EVE...war rooms etc.

I mean look at the idiot poster above you, hes actually stupid enough to call mini games content...thats the type ridiculous thinking most of the "haters" are worried about, that dev time should be invested in that type of rubbish is just ludicrous.
Velani Askiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1648 - 2011-12-23 21:30:39 UTC
robbyx wrote:
Velani Askiras wrote:
robbyx wrote:


Basically it comes down to asking CCP to send time and resources to implement some trivial time waster, because they can ?


No!

I wrote earlier in this thread, focus on FIS!
Devote a small team to WIS if possible. If not then maybe later.

Don't get me wrong, i do not want to see wasted time either.

This needs serious thinking before touching WIS again.

Board Games is just an example, not a must


Well then i guess we are mostly in agreement, however i would not call board games a good example, and if WiS is ever going to be looked at again it should be relevant to EVE...war rooms etc.

I mean look at the idiot poster above you, hes actually stupid enough to call mini games content...thats the type ridiculous thinking most of the "haters" are worried about, that dev time should be invested in that type of rubbish is just ludicrous.


I agree that WIS should be relevant to EVE first before they can even think about some mini games or whatever.
I was just saying that i wouldn't say "no" to board games like you did :p

Anyways, looks like we are indeed mostly in agreement. Sorry for any confusion.



I do not want to call anyone idiot, i will leave that open to you :p
Podcorn
Doomheim
#1649 - 2011-12-23 22:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Podcorn
robbyx wrote:


actually stupid enough to call mini games content



I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content. Part of a multi-player game in a dynamic universe which features anything from mining OPs, to a free complex market, to blob warfare is player interaction. EVE isn't a space combat simulator. I know that you probably didn't do well in science, math or logic courses, but the spaceships in EVE move like submarines, you are not training to be an astronaut. Again this is a complex multi-player game.

This is the definition of content for you (free tutoring by me). You're welcome.
robbyx
#1650 - 2011-12-23 22:49:15 UTC
Podcorn wrote:
robbyx wrote:


actually stupid enough to call mini games content



I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content. Part of a multi-player game in a dynamic universe which features anything from mining OPs, to a free complex market, to blob warfare is player interaction. EVE isn't a space combat simulator. I know that you probably didn't do well in science, math or logic courses, but the spaceships in EVE move like submarines, you are not training to be an astronaut. Again this is a complex multi-player game.

This is the definition of content for you (free tutoring by me). You're welcome.



Technically it is content i guess...but then again CCP could add flying fish heads that players bat back and forth with their ships in space and you could call that content as well...doesnt mean its a good idea or that it should be done, or should even be called content.

EVE was, is and will always be about spaceships, the manufacture and destruction of spaceships drives every aspect of this game...all the things you mentioned, mining op's, blob warfare, complex free market all exist to aid in the destruction of spaceships...this is what people play EVE for, its what got CCP awards, its what put EVE on the MMO map, and its what CCP do better than anyone else....it is also what they should stick to, at least in regards to EVE.

In that context silly little side games are not content at all...they are a pathetic waste of developers time and resources which could be better spent elsewhere...you know, on things that are actually relevant to game, rather than distracting players from the business of spaceships they should spend that time coming up with and developing content that encourages and involves players in the actual game.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1651 - 2011-12-24 07:12:59 UTC
well i think WIS/FIS lovers and only FIS whiners have to wait for some love to EVE
DUST beta is coming so in order make that NOT A SPACESHIP GAME a success ,CCP resources will be needed for that console crap

R.S.I2014
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1652 - 2011-12-24 08:50:38 UTC
Podcorn wrote:
I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content.

Content that only a tiny fraction of the players want and that would take valuable developer time away from real Eve content.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Sakura Imoru
Perkone
Caldari State
#1653 - 2011-12-24 10:00:53 UTC
CCP already announced that the theme of the next expension will be WAR...

W alking
A dditional
R ooms

Lol
Avila Cracko
#1654 - 2011-12-24 10:47:45 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Podcorn wrote:
I'm not sure you know which game you're playing, but games in an establishment would be content.

Content that only a tiny fraction of the players want and that would take valuable developer time away from real Eve content.


When ppl think they are majority and the most important... XD
Or... you are so big so that you are the biggest part of player base indeed... but then you have to stand up from that chair and move your but out through that doors, if you can pass through it... if not... well... we are out of luck then and are stuck with your ugly and arrogant face...

But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Lexmana
#1655 - 2011-12-24 11:02:48 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%.


You are wrong. It is 2%.
Orvy Bearmedeer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1656 - 2011-12-24 11:16:11 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:


But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%.


This is not true. We play this game for the spaceships, most of us. According to your logic most players wouldn't play it unless there was more of decorative clothing, board game and haemorrhoidal station walking...
Disdaine
#1657 - 2011-12-24 11:20:01 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
But... lets talk about numbers of players that want WiS... thats 90%.


You are wrong. It is 2%.


So over 1.2 million dollars a year worth of accounts want WiS.

Interesting.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1658 - 2011-12-24 11:25:26 UTC
So many haters wanting to impose what they think Eve is supposed to be on others. FiS is good but WiS has also many awesome possibilities. If you hate one or the other just avoid it not go OMFG THEY BE DOING WIS LETS GO SHOOT JITA MONUMENT AND UNSUB. That's just acting like a 2 year old who had a toy taken away so he wants all his friends to have their toy taken away also.
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Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#1659 - 2011-12-24 11:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Syphon Lodian
Thousands of people subbed to this game for several years, not to mention the newcomers, with the dream that CCP would start making due on their promise, and their own dream for what EVE was to become.. another universe. Not just "spaceships in space".

This was pretty much the plan from the get go, but they settled for space pew pew because they had neither the resources nor the technology to create their universe.

Now, we're on the precipice of seeing the beginning of that, but as far as we know... it will never happen. Why? Because there is a minority, yes, a minority of mouth-breathers that want it to be pew-pew in space and nothing else. They have no imagination and no ability to embrace new ideas. They just want "sociopaths in space", and that's what EVE has become. I like harsh EVE as much as the next guy, but I want to see EVE evolve from this.

It totally reminds me of the downfall of the original EverQuest. Back when EQ was just the holy trinity, Kunark and Velious, it was the tops. The game was mostly about the little adventure and the common player, then SOE started listening to the extremely vocal, yet entirely silly minority known as the "raiders". The hugely anti-social meta-gamers that camped mobs for 24hrs a day. Then every expansion from there on out was mostly about the "raids" and end-game, and the magic of EQ was mostly gone.

In EVE, the vocal minority spits uncontrollably, then shoots a fake statue with fake lasers in a video game for protest. Then they get on the forums and try to spit all over anyone with an imagination, or those who wanted to embrace CCP's original dream.

I hope EVE starts going back down the WiS path again, but it's a pipe-dream now. The vocal minority and the budget being stretched too thin just destroyed the original dream. Sad. Really, it could have been amazing, but it was so unbelievably mismanaged.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#1660 - 2011-12-24 11:34:46 UTC
We don't have any exact numbers of how many players really want WiS. If we have a look at the forums or eg at this thread, we can only get a general idea. It appears we have a lot of supporters who want something meaningful and who are not against the general idea of WiS but we also have a lot of opposition who don't want to see anything WiS related ever.
That's really everything we can say about "numbers" so it's a bit mute to talk about those numbers.

However it seems that there is indeed a significant number of players who support it. And because of the argument that WiS could be made optional it is absolutely legit to talk and discuss about the future and the possibilities of WiS content.
Of course EVE Online is a game about spaceships. But reading the chronicles it is apparent that the life on board of a station or a planet has also a lot of impact to the universe. Be it impact on a more personal level or even a broader one. No one wants to get rid of the spaceships and I think not many people want a WiS that is completely unrelated to flying spaceships.

So long, have some nice holidays and don't hate too much. That applies for both sides of the fence Smile.
After all, we are all players of a great game and nobody wants to destroy it, bear that in mind.