Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just wanted to pitch an idea considering all the crying I've seen regarding how D3's are too OP. No, I'm not disagreeing with you, they are pretty deadly from what I've heard.

Simple really, make the 10 second cool-down timer for the mode switching into a warm up timer. Rather than immediate mode switch and 10 seconds wait to switch again, make it so that you have to wait ten seconds for a switch to take effect. It's not perfect or completely fixes the issue, but would that help at all? What do you guys think?

Best thing to do is nothing, since there isn't a problem. The 10 MN uses a lot of the pg, and I can't imagine a t3 tracking you while going 12 km/s. I can fit my to cruiser with a 100mn mwd, does that make it op? No.

the sig bonus is the same no matter the siz

also in my understanding its not MWDs that are the problem but ABs as the MWDs take way to much PG to fit on anything practical but i could be wrong

the OPs idea may work but this may hurt all of them when only 1-2 wind up being OP

and honest for the most part D3s aren't all that bad if they are 10mn fit they normally can't deal much damage you just can't normally kill them either and this frustrates people just like warp stabs


the miny one may need to be toned down a bit but the confessor is pretty balanced


I say we wait a few months after the last two are released see what ones become OP in the meta (if any) then take a look at them




right now a lot of them are being used and not many people know how to fly against them

this is because they are new so every one wants to try them out and not many have experience fighting them yet not because they are flat out OP

a nerf at this point may be premature

still that ought to make it relatively easy to hit if they use an oversize MWD, you just need the range and alpha to hit them once they get far enough to lower their transversal.

The 10mn AB fits don't seem to be all that OP in my opinion, my corp and I just whelped a small gang of structure tanked T1 cruisers in Null sec the other night, we killed a T2 HAC, a Confessor, some other minor stuff, and almost killed a svipul. We would have been isk positive if the guys hadn't' decided to go full Yolo with limited edition hulls. (and I was wearing 60mil in implants that I didn't need at all)

Interesting...but I disagree that the purpose of the ship gets lost by replacing the cool-down with a warm-up process. Rather, the fact that you can suddenly and instantly switch over to what you need now kind of defeats the need or point of the cool down, as it seems hardly like what anyone would call a drawback unless you find yourself trying to rapidly switch from mode to mode.

I got the idea from noting the fact that even T3's need to dock up (not sure where else T3's are allowed to refit subs, MDU's maybe?) to change sub systems out. On top of that, you have to actually have these subs, like any other module, present at the time when switching them out. You can't just flip a switch. D3's don't really have anything to balance out the fact that they can accomplish the same effect without needing to dock up, without needing some arbitrary bag of sub systems to do it, and you can literally apply the effects of an alternate mode instantly when you decide that particular mode is prevalent.

I figured adding a delay between making the decision to switch modes and when the effects of that move are felt helps to justify having such a potentially powerful ability in a way that would otherwise have virtually no drawbacks. I also figure this would be a much easier trade to swallow than simply asking for some negative bonus's being added to each mode, which was another idea of mine but I don't think that will be as popular of a pitch.

The modes themselves aren't the problem.

Real issue vs cruiser-sized target is the very small base signature size, and coupled with Defensive mode which reduces it further, makes certain situations "mathematically impossible" to resolve in the favour of the cruisers.

I've seen a dual-rep 10MN AB DLP Confessors take down dual web Thoraxes with Electron blasters.

To alleviate this, I propose to increase the base+Defense mode-bonused sig size to a figure a bit higher than the T2 Destroyers/Dictors.

The problem is gtfo ability. Risk aversion is a force multiplier when it comes to "OPness."

Is a lone ratting carrier OP (lulz?)? For the cost of 5 HACs, it has the dps of 8 HACs and tank of 30 HACs. Oh and it's insurable, so it actually costs less than 5 HACs.

When something is small and fast, it can be slightly OP and be "OP." When something is large and slow, it can have dps/tank off the roof without being "OP."

CCP making t3 destroyers strong is a bad idea. They should make t3 destroyers weaker than sabres, then tune it up bit by bit and watch usage.

If CCP ever makes t3 BS, they can go ahead and make that OP, and it'll just attract gank, no matter how OP it is.

I don't think they have anymore gtfo ability than any other kite relative to their engagement profile, the two that died to my corps t1 cruisers certainly didn't.

This actually does make a lot of sense since a ten second cool down timer is really only a penalty if you accidentally hit the wrong mode.

I've brawled both t1 and faction cruisers - Scythe Fleet Issue with a web and 180mm ACs couldn't track a 10MN Confessor, nor would a double web Electron blaster Trax with Faction ammo loaded.

The issue is the 10MN AB in Defense mode. Broken sig is broken - would be fine with a MWD, however.

So, CCP, either reduce T3Ds powergrid, halve the number of turrets by 50%, add/increase the rate of fire (otherwise Svipul is y0lo) to compensate so they can't fit 10MNs, or increase the base signature radius substantially.

I'll let the gameplay speak for itself, especially seeing as the prices keeps hitting new lows er'ry day.

P.S. Pure profit (Sell price - materials - installation cost) is still over 12 mil per ship sold for these things, so go over-produce them guys.