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I am super excited about these changes. It all sounds really cool. I think all the industrial structures sound awesome, and I can't wait to get some of that going in my wormhole.

There are a few concerns I have.

I'm not sure what the fate will be for POSs, but as of right now, we have safety in our forcefields. We can see the enemy (if there is one sitting at our tower) and we can also hit d-scan obsessively. It's where we hang out between fights and carebearing, while we wait for our scouts to find more content. If you transition us us to mooring, we won't be able to use d-scan, and that's a problem, especially since we don't have local (I am not advocating for local in W-Space, I like W-Space the way it is). We rely heavily on D-scan and losing that ability while we are waiting around is bad.

Another concern with the proposed system is that it looks like with the fitting window, there would be a limited amount of guns, EWAR, webs, and points that you'd be able to put on a tower. As I'm sure you guys are aware, a lot of times there's very valuable stuff stored in control towers. At present we can have as many defensive modules as we want anchored to our tower (although we cannot online all of them at once) so long as we don't cause lag (Deep Space 9 station in Polaris anyone?). We need to be able to defend whatever the next housing structure is as well as we can defend our current towers.

Will the skill "Starbase Defense Management" become obsolete? Will starbases/pos's definitely be phased out?

Elana

I would like to see the Faction standing requirements reinstated for corporation deployment of these new structures in high-sec. Large and extra-large structures should have the previous standing requirements, and these could be dropped down a bit for personal deployments.

Medium (personal)
0.5 - 1.0 standing
0.6 - 2.0 standing
0.7 - 3.0 standing
0.8-1.0 (unavailable to reduce clutter)

Large or Extra-Large (corporation only)
0.5 - 5.0 standing
0.6 - 6.0 standing
0.7 - 7.0 standing
0.8 - 8.0 standing
0.9 - 9.0 standing
1.0 - 10.0 standing

And don't forget awesome structure explosions.

What then is the use of a Rorqual?

We hide them in bubbles precisely because they are impossible to use without one. Sit in a belt with a Rorqual and see what happens. For that matter, where are the exhumers/barges supposed to go when the system goes red? Sure, we can warp to a safe point while we wait for the enemy to scan us down. Either we die at a bookmark in space, or we die in the warp bubbles deployed at stations to keep us from docking.

I suppose now I have to rely on Observation Platforms which may or may not block D-Scan system wide? These, of course will be primary targets. If they can be found? Not that you even need to blow it up, because a Rifter/Entosis link can render it inoperable in about ten minutes, maybe twenty if you meet the max defense bonus. Good luck operating anything next to low or hi sec. Any cut rate tourist with said Rifter/Entosis link can troll the nearby null systems at will. I won't go on about Entosis here though.

For that matter, do you even need Sov to deploy any of this stuff? Seems like the Sov owner deploys the big stuff, and the individual players get to anchor what exactly? I couldn't figure this part out from the blog. I feel like you have tossed out all these wild ideas, without explaining hardly at all how current game play will be effected in the new system.

Lots of folks complain that mining is horribly dull. I think the same about ratting. Mining in null is anything but boring. You constantly have to be on your toes. It also requires a major investment of ISK, training time, and upkeep. I don't see how I am supposed to practice my profession in the future. Bubbles make mining possible in null sec. Maybe you think it is reasonable to just hang a 3.5b capital ship out in space for anyone to point and destroy? Not worth it for me. Just a matter of time until you lose everything. Sure, a POS can be destroyed, but it takes time and energy to do so. Mining ships, and their support vessels are garbage when it comes to defense, hence why so many players go after them. Now we will be easy targets, with no place to run. Awesome.

To me, the entire point of Eve is that you can do something other than run around the universe shooting stuff. Now, anyone with the imagination to try a different style will be completely at the mercy of every drooling F1 monkey in New Eden. Excellent.

I would really like to be excited. Seeing such major changes with such little information just leaves me frustrated, angry, and thinking I will be looking for another game to play in the future.

Completely agree about mining not being dull. There's a ton of us out there who do it, who enjoy it. I think 90%+ of the complaints about mining come from those who dn't mine, which isn't worth listening to considering there are so many of us who enjoy it the way it is, that it works fine.

As for the rorqual, I highly suspect that they will put mining ganglink bonuses on the drilling platform and further relegate our mining director endgame ship into complete uselessness.

Yes, that would limit the spam somewhat.



Why not give it immense EHP to counter the inevitable if it does show up in a high sec belt?

Could lead to interesting "escalations" in null: HALP, RORQ TACKLED IN BELT 3 - III. SEND HALP.

Enemy fleet: "ROR!"

That would make the Universe... Alive!

Current Mobile Deployment mechanics are sufficient I think to present billboards in best light - not too far, not too close to a gate/station to make the advertisement actually work and be coherent.

P.S. I remember the times when I used to make can Art in Minmatar lowsec, just a few jumps from Amamake. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

ok I love what you are doing with all this, I agree with most of what people are saying except the high sec and low sec going into a Null sec environment, that will defeat what all of this has been about, the first decade+.

The entosis thing whatever it is should be limited to Sov space, and for the new station structures, make it Small, Medium, and Large, and the Service/High/Med/Low are more just like with ships, the bigger the station, the more of each of those you get allowing you to do more.

The service slots just like T3 ships are changeable out where you can make it generic and can do anything, or you have more for more specialized things. just like if small or medium you can put where ships can moor, and if large and XL you can setup moor and dock types.

and it wouldn't be, but we do need tonacknowledge that some folks have career/duty/rl commitments that drag them from the gameas opposed to just walking away until the next good war happens. The end result would be the same, however. IS the stuff protected or dropped, is it transferred to some neutral pickup point. Is there any hope for a loot pinata?

m

Agreed, but given the lack of logistics people being included in CCP's thought processes proved that there was none, other than the R64 maintenance group (the initial capital range nerf included JFs, which would have obliterated the t2 market, and it was only when there was a massive player backlash to them regarding logistics when they relented (their initial thought process was "People found ways before JFs, so they'll find ways now" without realizing what gameplay changes (carrier + industrials in SMA) people used before JFs)), it needs to be brought up.