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I personally like the current anchoring mechanic.
the way this is described makes me think that the new structures will be overly vulnerable because you are limited to 8 defenses. some places you need a deathstar with 12 Large pulse lasers and an array of supporting equipment just for defense, and only online the production modules you actually need at the moment.

in others you can leave just a little E-War up and be mostly fine as long as you check on it.

Point is that POS need to be more flexible then this model shows.

I do like the idea they fielded of having reppers on a structure.
I can see the use of having a triage pos, but I'd rather that exist under current mechanics similar to the use of guns/E-war.

It would make sense for the canisters and content to autopropel to a nearby station or outpost, probably predefined by the owners.

On another note though why not hve the preverbial npc haulers we see undock overtimes fly in, scoope the stuff and deliver with a small reward. After all we still need a ISK Sink, and that seems to make sense.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5602373#post5602373

Here's my feedback

While you remove the placing cross, can you please add something to align the structure as we like while placing them. Would be cool to have the planet behind your station/structure while undocking and such things.

If you're going to remove Outpost construction (very bad idea in my opinion) and make them destructible then presumably there can reach a point where there are no more left in the game. So what does this mean for Walking in Stations? Has the entire WiS concept been abandoned by CCP? Two years ago Hilmar suggested we might hear something about it at last year's fanfest but instead we got some vague references to player-built gates.

I've always liked the idea of being able to walk around inside stations and feel it could provide a much needed new gameplay element to Eve which is becoming stale in its constant churning out of new ships and calling that new content. Certainly Eve's competition by way of Elite Dangerous and the forthcoming Star Citizen both have this feature. If WiS has not been abandoned then how do you square the idea of being able to walk around the inside of a structure with the risk of that structure being blown up with you inside it? Have you even considered the ramifications of this if WiS is still something on the table?

Why not keep Outposts as the XL size Administration hub? Have you also considered that if you make the place where people store their stuff destructible, even if they're able to recover it if they control the grid, people will be more inclined to store their stuff in NPC stations thus you risk putting the final nail in the coffin of null sec sovereignty? It gets worse. If I understand the blog then you're suggesting having a markets separated from where you dock. This makes no sense from a gameplay perspective. If I want to buy something I need to undock and go somewhere else in the system to get it? Then fly back to fit it? Furthermore there's the inherent risk to the investor. Let me explain how it works now.

As an investor in the market, be that the direct market or contracts, since Outposts are not destructible, only capturable, my investment remains and from a commercial stand point, it matters little to me whether or not its my alliance buying my items or my enemy. They're still selling and I'm still making a profit. If I'm now running the risk of my market being blown up - literally destroyed, what happens to my investment? If that runs the risk of going up in smoke as well, why would I invest? I could charge more to offset the risk but that opens the way for Jump freighter pilots to run on-demand services for items which puts me out of business. Either way, it makes investment in a sovereign null sec region an unattractive proposition which harms the economy as a whole.

Just consider this point for a moment, please CCP. Not only are you currently proposing allowing so-called 'troll ceptors' to run around griefing the living daylights out sov holders by knocking their sov in to reinforced every day but now you're suggesting it can also be blown up. What if you're docked inside the structure at the time it goes boom? If I can't dock safely, can't store ships safely, can't buy ships safely, can't invest in the market safely, do you seriously think people are going to want to live in sov space, especially given you can get just as much PvP in low sec and make far more money in high sec? At best, 0.0 is reduced to 2003 levels with a smattering of alliances scratching out a living in NPC null.

well the entire assortment of modules on the new structures will be completely new, not a redesign of the guns we have currently.

The guns we have currently have pretty much stayed exactly the same since they came out, and unfortunately ship power creep has occurred to the point that currently you do need 12 large pulses and dozens of mediums and small to aggressively defend an important asset. However i would imagine the new high slot guns for structures will have a significant improvement and increase in power to compensate for how lacklustre the current ones are.

plus i have to wonder that when those guns are destroyed, if they remove themselves from the high slot so it can be replaced by another gun from the structures armoury.

all 'what if's and presumptions so far but worthwhile discussing.

First of all: this sounds very promising and in my opinion this is the most significant change in years.

I have a number of issues with some of the plans (more like warnings)

1. Giving sov holders and large groups too much power. Especially the observatory and the gate modules look like they will allow holders to gain massive bonuses in their systems. Uncloak people, track any intruders with the player tracker, lower their ship's agility, make them decloak faster from gate jump and make them spawn further away to prevent running back. This can be alleviated if the services are easily disrupted. NPC security force sounds like a terrible idea, if you want that there's highsec.

2. As a trader I am very much against increasing tax in NPC stations. High taxes cripple the trading profession and make markets inefficient, which hurts not only resale traders but also every seller and buyer. Please don't make existing markets worse to aggressively push players to trade in the new structures. It's fine if they have less taxes or provide other benefits.

3. Manufacturing arrays granting ME bonuses is very dangerous. It can easily lead to a situation where someone who doesn't have access to large, upgraded structures worth billions can't compete even in entry level markets (T1 modules, ammo...). Simply because their production costs are higher. I had to tell rookie industrialists too often that there is no point in manufacturing anything before they have perfect blueprints and perfect skills (which is thankfully fixed).

OK so all sounds good CCP I just have 2 things that worry me.

1. - When the jump fatigue changes were announces their were 152,847 jillion zillion comments saying it was the end of the world and it was a real good thing for the game. This time however everyone is posting positive comments which worries me some.....

2. - This thing/question is more personal, my corp and I are a small group in wh space. We make it work there because we have a uber deathstar POS with absolute **** tons of defenses randomly placed all over the place outside the shields. We can only have so many online but if under attack could online more or online replacements for damaged ones. Basically any serious and organized group could take us down with a little effort we all know. But we survive by being a tough nut to crack and looking like a hot mess of a porcupine if attacked.

The new fitting thing looks easier and fun, but it sure seems to make a lot less intimidating a target to fit 6-8 weapons all in one place on a station, as opposed to 25-50 randomly placed guns batteries, and 20 or so e war batteries like we currently have. Also would we be out in space in some kind of safety at first like we currently are in our shield? Or would we be in our Station knowing we are under attack somehow but not in our ships?


We also do a lot of different industry things at our POS and have different things online and offline depending on whats going on at any given time. Would we able to do similar?

Those are basically my concerns. I suppose a final thought would be that stations and Outposts have always felt like a house/building in space, where living in a POS with all its flaws is kinda like camping/homesteading in space the way for a small group to have its own place. I like camping I hope it still has that feel.

Have you considered adding a shield module that can be fitted to the structure? The POS shield has always made it possible to effectively use/deploy the Rorqual for single player/multi-player mining operations. Wtihout the POS shield to support the use of the deployed Rorqual, the previous changes to structures, and the recent changes to capital ship travel, the Rorqual will be completely useless. Even deployed with a large fleet, the Rorqual would become the target of choice and be destroyed quickly.

Are there any plans to make the Rorqual useful again?

This is silly. Market hubs are a natural occurrence in any market (look at New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, London etc). They're simply a way to reduce transaction costs and increase liquidity. Trying to "kill" market hubs would just make thing more expensive for everyone (you'd sell goods for less, buy them for more and volume would be down so not even market makers would be better off).

Possibly, and this is speculation, the existence of player-owned market hubs will create competition to the NCP market hubs simply because of reduced taxes (which act as a transaction cost). The main problem would be to make sure that people were able to transport goods to and from the system reasonably safely, which of course would be a logistically difficult, but potentially having THE market hub in your area of nullsec would be the most profitable thing you could do in the game. I don't know the numbers, but I'd imagine .1% of 10% of Jita's daily volume is still a lot a ISK.