Crime & Punishment

I seem to have uncorked some T2 passive-aggressive emotions with my posts. Honestly, I hope everyone enjoys the game. I don't have a problem with PVE or null players.


As for what I've tried, I've tried a lot of the stuff you guys recommend.
I tried RvB and it's good, but it got repetitive. There are loads of great players down there who know actual damage and maneuver technique.

I am headed to null because I can't find fights in high I've tried null and low half a dozen times and I always end up losing interest and quitting. I'm hoping I can get into it more this time.

My problem is that I don't really love pvp. Simply fighting is ok, but it's not the best part. To me, the best part is the smack talk, the deception, the luring, the hunting, the ship swapping, the confusion tactics, and the overall experience that ends with shots fired.

That's the part of the game that's gone. That's the part I miss. Fleet warfare might as well be PVE in my opinion.


For those who think high sec players are no good..

I used to fight null players when I was a CEO in the orphanage. 17 war decs a week against the largest alliances in the game...

My corp back then was called Light Adama.... Think our kill ratio was about 20 to 1. You can look it up on battleclinic. We were war decking as much of null as we could each week. We did ok.

Not to disparage null players, but skill doesn't come from the region you play in. It comes from an understanding of game mechanics. There are good players everywhere.

I miss high sec piracy. Many of you hate high sec pirates.

I think high sec piracy was a feature, many of you think it was a bug.

I think the game PVE content is the weakest content. Many of you love it.

My opinion remains. I am enjoying those who post against it.

I flew with mo in my young stages of EVE life. He knows his shyte.

I'm Leto. Who the hell are you?

Edit: you all need to look at his history and kill boards. In the corp I was in with mobadder, we were pure lowsec piracy. No highsec security blanket. He isn't a whiner, and was good at teaching new pilots.

I agree with many of his points and that highsec needs a Nerf.

I actually happen to agree and am going to type a civilized response.

High Sec is depleting. I guess there was enough crying from the carebears that CCP has decided to Mommy-Coddle them. I started bitching about it when the killrights thing became universal. Basically killed the purpose of concord and on top of that now we've got AWOXing coming to an end.

What originally attracted me to this game when I started playing like 3-ish or so years ago was the enormous risk involved in the game. It didn't matter where you went. It was a game for griefers and the risk that something could happen to you no matter where you went is what made it attractive. You didn't know what was waiting right around the corner so to speak. Now they're pushing very hard to make highsec safesec. AWOXing is gone. Killright mechanics have gone absolute full ****** and from what I've heard there's talk of wardecs being removed completely and any kind of pvp engagement being made impossible in high sec. If you're going to want pvp you'll have to go to low sec for faction warfare, K-Space or nullsec and put up with all the bullshit politics out there.

I'm sorry, but CCP better wake up and realize their game isn't that interesting for people stick around when the high sec mechanics are finally set up to Mommy-Coddle those who live there. People are going to leave in droves and that's the simple truth of it. There was a magazine article a few years ago that I had read before I joined the game that called EVE a game for "sociopaths and griefers" and that really is exactly what it was when I joined. the Griefers, pirates and assholes is what created the "risk" in the game and CCP is doing away with it arrogantly thinking that the game will still have enough interesting value to keep people playing. Sorry but it wont. They've become a little too proud of this game and I don't think they're realizing that they're going to really stagnatize it.

I'm one of those people who absolutely hates nullsec, nullsec politics and giant fleets. Been there, done that and they really don't do it for me and I know I'm definitely not alone. Sorry but I don't get a thrill seeing my name on a killmail like 50 names down the list with 0.000001% dps contribution to an Apocalypse kill after having type "GF" in local for the billionth time with the FC screaming over coms to say only that or nothing at all.

All I can say to CCP is keep it up. Wont be long before I, and other people like me, are back in WoW camping the Stormwind gate, shooting lowbies and making them angry for the fun of it.

I think the large scale gank organizations are not sustainable.

I see it as a last act of defiance by the high sec pvp players... But which will die in time. I think a good replacement game would pull those players very easily.

Once you try high sec pvp, it's impossible to go back. I have tried to go be a carebear and it's just a grind.

Will Eve be better when the bad guys are only NPCs? It will come in time if they just keep doing what they're doing.


When I was new, I thought PVE was the game and the pirates were an unnecessary evil.

Then I tried piracy.

Then I realized piracy/PVP is the game and PVE is a necessary evil.

I've always been doing it wrong according to CCP, I think. I've been petitioned enough times.

I checked your killboards. You're good at what you do. However, your playstyle and what I'm talking about are different.

You aren't wrong, and I could rejoin CEVL or one of the merc corps I helped build with relatively little effort. Then I could shoot flashies in Empire. I'm sure one of my previous corps would have me back. If finding flashies was what I wanted, I wouldn't be whining about it on the forums.

I want CCP to hear my complaint. There are people out there who know what I'm talking about.

Shooting unknown reds on site with no feedback besides "GF" and another fleet KM isn't that much fun to me. Honestly, I don't know what's fun about that for anyone.

I want small scale warfare and I want to meet and know my targets. I want to hunt them across empire. I want to smack talk them in local. I want it to matter whether I orbit or fly straight. I want to fly with such a tight knit group of guys to where it's more like a jam session than directed military operation.

I want to flip cans and steal stuff. I want to use rep ships to aggro people. I want to trick people. I want to cause chaos.

When we get done fighting, I want to teach those people to win against the next guy who war decs them.

I want to make friends and enemies. I think that's the point of a MMO.

I'm assuming from the quantity of Jita/pipeline kills that you're a in merc corp. I didn't see a lot of small stuff and your point averages indicate that you're mostly fleet. I didn't go back far enough to see when you came to high sec, but you're listed online for mostly 0.0.

I think you're doing good work and I'm glad the merc scene is still intact. However, that's not what I'm talking about and it's not what I'm interested in.

For you, keep up the good work.

Yeah, I probably am doing it wrong. That's my style. It used to be a lot of fun.

Mo

Utter garbage. We can both name 5 or so lowsex systems where you can ALWAYS get some sort of fight. I'll go first.... Amamake.

Other utter garbage.... low end wh are alive and kicking w/ the crappy null relic sites in them (what some folks do for 3 mil isk is amazing) and the c5/c6 has a few big boys, a few little boys and a lot of empty systems.

You've obviously not been out of empire in 8 months or more. There is a lot of fun to be had outside of k-space, just not a lot of 'prey'. Don't get me wrong, Repo Industries cut it's teeth on empire warfare / hs merc stuff, so I've done more than my share. But having been there AND other places... aside from 3 glorious real fights 3 years of empire 'pvp' was 3 years of clubbing seals. I won't lie, at the time I enjoyed it a lot, had a great time and learned a lot of pvp stuff. It's mostly ganks and pvp savy small gangs womping up on novices. If you find HS merc work challengeing then you're pretty bad at 'pvp'. Challenging and fun are two distinctly different things.

What CODE does may be fun to them, but it isn't challenging and it isn't pvp. Sure they've knocked boots a few times w/ one group or another, but your business plan has nothing to do with pvp. Just ganks, tears and role playing (that deep deep totally consuming hard core "I believe" kind of role playing that makes me scratch my head in bemused wonder). Saying LS and low end wh are dead just shows what you don't know.

My advice stands - you want small gang or even solo pvp - your best odds for an actually heart pounding fight will be in lowsex or wh space. You want to club some baby seals for the lulz, then do empire stuff.

Actually, most of my recent kills are in Umokka doing just that. I don't multi box and all my friends in that area quit, so it's true solo. It can get a little"touch and go." They may be baby seals, but you can only club so many at once. High sec gets no respect, but flipping ain't easy.

A guy there gave me a really nice officer AB a few days ago. (I'm not sure CCP is aware how good the faction drop rate is on mission runners"

I try to get them into a station hump with me because that keeps the odds from being as overwhelming, but even so I'm lucky to get a fight every couple days and I know it's only a matter of time before I lose. I'm currently trying another null alliance... The pvp down here really isn't more challenging than what I was doing in Umokka, but there is more of it.

I used to be able to turn local into a circuis and inspire people to come out and fight/watch fights. I could pick fights and teach. Met lots of cool people doing it. It was fun for almost all of the participants... And I'm whining about it being gone.

The new crime watch rules and high war dec costs drove most of my friends away. Suicide ganks aren't fun or challenging. I keep looking.

From what I have read you are basically complaining about people not falling for traps and evading war decs, or well doing precisely the same thing you did for your 1st 2 years in high sec. High sec is a place where people 1st spawn into, its the starting area, and its riskier to live in high sec than it is in null sec. In most games today you can't even attack people in starting areas, either by not being allowed to enter or you just cant attack them until they attack you. In any case high sec remains quite risky and new players are quite vulnerable compared to other games.

Few months back I made a trial toon just to see what the new players are getting into these days. If you didn't have any help from anyone, didn't do any research yourself, went just by trial and error you would have such a hard time, and it takes such a long time to get any isk on your own. I played with it for couple of hours then finally managed to get enough isk to go and just buy better m4 guns, and not even the most powerful m4 cause they were just so expensive for me, docked, bought it, and on undock I see some ass hat throwing a duel at me. To a 1 day old toon in a thrasher. I can easily see people even accepting that duel request cause in most games dueling someone means that you will not die, but the fight will end when you reach 1% of your hp, unlike in eve where you can lose your ship and even your pod. Which can be quite devastating to a new player that just farmed for hours in poorly fitted ship with poor skills and having absolutely no idea about the game besides what the basic and time consuming tutorial gave them.

The same mechanics that are protecting the people in npc and player corps are protecting the "pirates" and other "pvp" leet of eve. As this Code drone said "They can't touch me, because i am a -10 char and i only undock to gank and every fight would be spoiled by the faction police anyway." That's the problem there as well, gankers are quite protected from retaliation so most people just ignore them and look for ways to protect themselves cause going after them makes no sense or requires to much effort for not that much of an impact as they fly cheap ships and empty pods.

As you look at killboards of other people I decided to take a look at yours. Your most recent kill or well death was in October 2014, and before that you had some kills and deaths in September and one more in march and that's it for 2014, in 2013 you were active in low sec space where you don't have a single solo venture, then we move to 2012 where you were active in high sec killing or taking advantage of newbies and people that had no clue on what they were doing and there also you didn't kill many solo or even when listed as the single shooter we can't be sure if that was solo or not cause of the neutral or fleet reppers, and that trend continues further down the road. I won't go beyond that but in recent history you didn't fight one single war vs any of the mercs (where some of them know the how high sec and pvp work).

That is the kind of "pvp"-er that you have been recently, and from that the only conclusion that you are here ranting about high sec mechanics is cause you can't kill newbies or other unskilled, unprepared, unaware and uneducated people in high sec as easily as you wish. If you wanted to do so you could have joined marmite for example, they have wars up constantly and they are doing the same thing you want to do, catch and kill the unskilled, unprepared, unaware and uneducated people in high sec.

If you say that many people will quit the game cause of that and those are the people that think the same way you do, then by all means, gather them around you, make a corp, move to low sec fw space or wh space or after the delay in null to null sec and do your own thing there, smack talk, you will surely make both new friends and enemies, hell you can even do that in high sec.

High sec is safer to a certain degree because its a starting and learning area of eve and its still more dangerous than some other parts of space such as null or low sec, just because its free for all in theory there is local that prevents from hunting and jumping on semi aware people and the politics of blue balls. The people that you fight there might actually be people that want to fight you and are able to show you their teeth which from that recent kb of yours has been shown you got your ass handed to you in those 1v1 fights so you came here to complain about high sec where you can't fight infants.

Wall of text, I know. And this isn't all I wanted to say.

Best regards

Capt Seph

Edit: Damn time is a relative thing, you call your Umokka kills recent even tough they happened in sep of 2014 and then sep of 2013...

Lol @ 1v1 fights meaning anything.

Most 1v1 experts fly around in fast kitey crap and will only ever engage things they know for certain they can kite and destroy, or run away when they realize the Harpy is rail fit. That's no better than being in the blob, and certainly doesn't make you any more of an elite PvP god than anyone else.

This is EVE. If you find yourself in a fair fight, either you or your opponent has failed in planning and execution.

Yes, perhaps :)