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Bye Bye AFK Cloaking

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#1 - 2015-03-22 02:19:44 UTC
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E. Observatory arrays

Dedicated to intelligence gathering.
...... be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. ....



Speechless
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2015-03-22 02:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Speechless

That's the sound of the AFK cloakers that you hear.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-22 02:25:09 UTC
Pft could grow balls so CCP gave out some.

Afk cloaking has never been a problem for us.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#4 - 2015-03-22 02:26:46 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Pft could grow balls so CCP gave out some.

Afk cloaking has never been a problem for us.


Yeah, if truly afk, no big deal. This array seems to be worded to affect non-afk cloakers.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2015-03-22 02:34:40 UTC
Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2015-03-22 02:40:27 UTC
If it uncloaked everyone in the system once an hour, I wouldn't see that as too annoying if it was alarm-clock-able.
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-03-22 02:45:12 UTC
And when they use this anti-cloaking device and discover the cloaker is not AFK... they will run to the forums and unleash an ocean of salty tears as they will be too afraid to undock.

It will be glorious! Cool
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#8 - 2015-03-22 02:50:05 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station.

Are you at fanfest or am I misreading things?

Also, afk cloaking is still not an issue if they're afk.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2015-03-22 02:59:29 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Who cares if you could pinpoint them? As it is 9/10 people who complain about cloakers cant be arsed to undock anyways, so what does knowing the location of the possible hostile going to change? Now instead of "Go away cloaky bastard whos mother I totally had relations with last night!" being typed in local from the perfect safety of the station, it will be "Will someone please go take care of the cloaky that's somewhere within 50km of planet 3 for me because I wanna mine and he might be armed and have bad intentions!!!!!".. once again typed in local from the perfect safety of a station.

Are you at fanfest or am I misreading things?

Also, afk cloaking is still not an issue if they're afk.


Look how bad I am on the forums. This is after me re-reading my posts to make sure im not (terribly) violating any rules, then changing wording to be (slightly) less offensive to the more 'tender' citizens of the forums. Would you really want me to be at fanfest, completely unfiltered, with a couple drinks in me?!??!?

This is ME im talking about, and frankly that thought is scary when I think it.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Madd Adda
#10 - 2015-03-22 03:05:04 UTC
you realize this is the concept stage and isn't a reflection of what will be released right? wouldn't make sense to have something that is suppose to be invisible to sensors magically appear.

Carebear extraordinaire
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#11 - 2015-03-22 03:07:59 UTC
@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?

Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?

This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2015-03-22 03:13:23 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?

Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?

This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.



Ever think that maybe they threw that line in the description to troll the playerbase?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-03-22 03:22:00 UTC
Lets be honest here.. The people who are scared of AFK Cloakers won't be smart enough to deploy something like this in their space.. Plus from the sounds of them they are AOE, not system wide.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#14 - 2015-03-22 03:22:45 UTC
so what do we have here?

AFK cloaking campers.. whinning about the fact their griefing could be coming to an end?

or Tears of the end coming from afk cloakers

or just plain out fear from afk cloakers that their perfect playstyle is about to go bye-bye or even close enough of a threat to go bye-bye??


hmmmm
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#15 - 2015-03-22 03:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
From the same devblog:

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Before we move forward, we would like to make it clear the changes listed below are ideas and highly theoretical. Those are not set in stone or fixed, we are telling our plans to you, our players, months in advance to initiate feedback and spark interest. Also please remember that concept art is just that, concept.


So at this point, shrugs shoulders. Meh.

We'll see.

If it happens, then I think other parts of the same devblog also hint towards networks of structures being necessary to cover a wide area in a system, so I expect there will be places to AFK cloak without problem, just not at a tactical off an outpost, POS, gate, etc. But that's just total speculation, same as this thread.

I don't know why this thread is even open given there is a perfectly viable feedback thread available here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413728&_ga=1.204069200.1315413013.1426769679
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2015-03-22 03:49:07 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?

Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?

This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.


Couldn't say. Maybe it's a point you'd like to rise in the dev blog thread in the information portal. Nudge nudge.

At UAE, well, yeah. It's fanfest! Half the fun is hanging out with everyone regress of where you fly!

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#17 - 2015-03-22 04:26:41 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
@ISD Dorrim Barstorlode, would you answer one question, if in fact this Observatory can pinpoint afk cloakers and someone pings a fleet in on top of them, do you not see that it would invalidate even the cost of the skillbook for CovertOp Cloaking?

Does the fact exist that if this were true then why after all of these countless arguments about afk cloakers did this come out as a possible structure that can be set up to do who knows what?

This actually wound up being two questions instead of one, ugh.


Couldn't say. Maybe it's a point you'd like to rise in the dev blog thread in the information portal. Nudge nudge.

At UAE, well, yeah. It's fanfest! Half the fun is hanging out with everyone regress of where you fly!


Thank you sir!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2015-03-22 04:50:20 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
so what do we have here?

AFK cloaking campers.. whinning about the fact their griefing could be coming to an end?

or Tears of the end coming from afk cloakers

or just plain out fear from afk cloakers that their perfect playstyle is about to go bye-bye or even close enough of a threat to go bye-bye??


hmmmm



People who know they are on shaky logical ground always fall back on the "you must be one of them" line of thinking. It demonstrates the weakness of a position.

I'm not an afk cloaker. I'm someone who does anomalies, in null, for isk and fun (the fun part makes me weird, I know). And I've figured out lots of ways to deal with 'afk cloakers' as they are. RIGHT NOW Confederation of XXPizza types are afk cloaking all over Delve and Querious where I play.

And yet you don't see me complaining, you see me figuring it out for my self, like an adult does when confronted with a challenge.

The posters above is right, CCP shouldn't be developing in a way that compensates lazy and uncreative people for being lazy and uncreative. No, if CCP 'does something about afk cloakers' so be it, but I hope they know that some of us don't need or appreciate their attempts to hold our hands.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#19 - 2015-03-22 04:53:03 UTC
I am drunk in a pub right now and trying to avoid a couple of women talking politics so thak you, thread, for being here.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#20 - 2015-03-22 05:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Quote:
E. Observatory arrays
Dedicated to intelligence gathering.
...... be able to affect or pinpoint cloak users. ....
Speechless
Depends on how it is implimented:

If the cloaker has to log off / change systems when a SOV structure announces it is onlining that hits back at the cloakers especially if they really are AFK and about to be de-cloaked.

If you can have ships that use a series of D-scans and ineffective probes to get closer and hunt down cloakers then you can actively avoid them in a "cat and mouse" game.

Sitting 100% perfectly safe in conditions better than being docked is clearly broken and goes against EVE's risk vs reward principle.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The bottom line on this topic is that the play style around denying playing of the game in such a manner that one need not have to play the game is one of the causes of the Great Malaise that has been killing this game.

I see the little quips about how an AFK player is of no harm. These are the people getting off on the Schrodinger's Cat game. All well and good then, but YOU cannot be AFK too.

It's a PVP game, remember?
HTFU, remember?


All they want to do is prevent people who like to spend a sporadic hour hunting here and there and be logged in and cloaked somewhere for the remaining 23 hours.

It's very clear what they are doing and there is no more telling lies about it and gas lighting everybody else on the matter with little snarks.

All of the little strawmen set up to protect this griefing have been knocked down. The players who have noted that the mechanics in the past have favored this so called "play style" chose to play something else. When you make the sandbox into your litterbox and then complain about lack of targets then you should think of playing something else.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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