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Fulgore Campbell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-21 21:01:48 UTC
Just wondering why no one else has ever followed ccp's framework?
My opinion is that questing sucks. Some people like it and that fair enough. Eve has you covered. I hear that warcraft could never make it to console because of the controler. Its the same thing over and over. Rotation. It sucks. A simple secrets of evermore type system and you would be good to go.
Eve has changed my online world for ever. I actually like video games again.

But i recon if you crossed Eve with games like fall out and arma 3 with true bullet mechanics and a realistic physics system you would have an unstoppable wow killer. Xp and levels are done. I love rpgs but its pretty much the same thing over and over.
I really wish some one would make a game like this. Planetside 2 come pretty close but dosnt still quite hit the mark for me like eve does.
I would love to see a proper feet in the dirt post apocalyptic heavy gather,craft ,trade and grift to suvive game. With no zombies. Where ever bullet counts and every scrap coveted. A true grown up mmo for grown ups that have brains. I belive we have all the mechanics someone just needs to put them together.
Saying that it probally is not evennot even possible. I know bugger all about how games are made but i know what i would enjoy.

Has CCP got any other creations in the works?
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-03-21 21:06:42 UTC
I agree with your sentiment. CCP are as bad at multitasking as your typical male after drinking a litre of vodka
Serene Repose
#3 - 2015-03-21 21:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
I agree with your sentiment. CCP are as bad at multitasking as your typical male after drinking a litre of vodka
CCP IS...IS...singular... ONE corporation CCP. (If you can't say what you mean, how can you mean what you say?) Naturally, I disagree. I wish you luck in finding your perfect MMO. Since this isn't an MMO, we don't really worry about that here. Although, I have to say, MMOs are on their way out and MT/F2P is here to stay. That's what sends everybody to Google searching for that "perfect game", right?

Fortunately, you won't find it here. Thank God and CCP for small favors. Good luck in your search though. I understand to begin a game from the bottom (up) in the old, pre-MT/F2P style runs upward from $50 million. Maybe, if you guys pass the hat, you can raise that much and find a few devs. I understand all the good ones are living off their millions in the Bahamas getting tans and watching bikinis strolling by. Maybe you can get them to leave the beach and park themselves in a cubicled office all day....

...like the good ol' days. Big smile

PS Oh, and since this really has nothing to do with EVE I'm gonna take a chance here and

IB4L

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Omgitsbears
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-21 21:56:48 UTC
Fulgore Campbell wrote:

But i recon if you crossed Eve with games like fall out and arma 3 with true bullet mechanics and a realistic physics system you would have an unstoppable wow killer.


People keep saying this, and the answer is no it won't. Sci-fi sandbox games are niche and that is absolutely okay. Eve-Online fills this niche genre perfectly and it's not going to get any better then this.
Omgitsbears
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-03-21 21:58:41 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
MMOs are on their way out and MT/F2P is here to stay.


F2P is just a type of payment system. MMOs aren't going anywhere, just the monthly subscription model has been on its way out for a long time now. Eve-Online gets away with it because its so easy to make the isk required every month to buy a PLEX.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-03-21 22:07:21 UTC
Omgitsbears wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
MMOs are on their way out and MT/F2P is here to stay.


F2P is just a type of payment system. MMOs aren't going anywhere, just the monthly subscription model has been on its way out for a long time now. Eve-Online gets away with it because its so easy to make the isk required every month to buy a PLEX.


And it works so well that Wow is even adopting that model.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Kuga
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-03-21 22:19:10 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
I agree with your sentiment. CCP are as bad at multitasking as your typical male after drinking a litre of vodka
CCP IS...IS...singular... ONE corporation CCP. (If you can't say what you mean, how can you mean what you say?) Naturally, I disagree. I wish you luck in finding your perfect MMO. Since this isn't an MMO, we don't really worry about that here. Although, I have to say, MMOs are on their way out and MT/F2P is here to stay. That's what sends everybody to Google searching for that "perfect game", right?

Fortunately, you won't find it here. Thank God and CCP for small favors. Good luck in your search though. I understand to begin a game from the bottom (up) in the old, pre-MT/F2P style runs upward from $50 million. Maybe, if you guys pass the hat, you can raise that much and find a few devs. I understand all the good ones are living off their millions in the Bahamas getting tans and watching bikinis strolling by. Maybe you can get them to leave the beach and park themselves in a cubicled office all day....

...like the good ol' days. Big smile

PS Oh, and since this really has nothing to do with EVE I'm gonna take a chance here and

IB4L




Well that escalated quickly...
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#8 - 2015-03-21 22:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
Fulgore Campbell wrote:
Just wondering why no one else has ever followed ccp's framework?

But i recon if you crossed Eve with games like fall out and arma 3 with true bullet mechanics and a realistic physics system


and,

Quote:
...you would have an unstoppable wow killer. Xp and levels are done.


Is a contradiction.

Combining such elements will never reach or exceed the success of WoW or any other type of generic-popular thing. That's because the vast majority of people are not interested in any type of complexity. They want it Simple, Simple and more Simplicity.

Because thinking is hard - imagine a world where everyone thinks and is rational. Bet you can't do that. Smile

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2015-03-21 22:21:12 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to OOPE.

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Fulgore Campbell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-03-21 22:44:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Fulgore Campbell
Really i dont think there has been a wow killer because no ones ever tried.
There is no reason it has to be difficult. Like eve. Its only as difficult as you want it to be.
I do see such a game in the future. Mainly because it wasnt that long ago i was playing river run and catching drops of oil.
I have hope. A dream. Where there is no story but the one you choose to create. Its a romantic notion. A world where you can plant trees and watch them grow.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#11 - 2015-03-21 23:15:23 UTC
Quests do indeed suck. And story. It's always the same generic crap. ESO was such a disappointment. I always ignore the main quest in Elder Scrolls games and just wander off and explore the world. So it was surprising that ESO went with such a quest-heavy formula with a world that is not conducive to exploring. I would have thought that an online Elder Scrolls game would be even LESS quest-heavy than the single player games, not MORE focused on quests.

But I guess I am spoiled, the first MMO I played was Asheron's Call. So I expect all MMOs to be open world, free-form, and great for exploration. A survival game with an MMO-sized persistent world would be pretty sweet. A big DayZ without the tired zombie theme. Or a big western-themed survival MMO. Red Dead Redemption's environment looked nice. Never got to play the game though because it was PS exclusive.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#12 - 2015-03-21 23:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Omgitsbears wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
MMOs are on their way out and MT/F2P is here to stay.


F2P is just a type of payment system. MMOs aren't going anywhere, just the monthly subscription model has been on its way out for a long time now. Eve-Online gets away with it because its so easy to make the isk required every month to buy a PLEX.


Shocker news: in order to last in time, MMOs must keep being developed which means they must keep being paid for such development.

A MMO that doesn't haves a sustainable source of income is a MMO that will die sooner than later even if it is a good game -something unlikely when the life expectancy of the product are 3 months per user.

There are old great subscription MMOs, and then there are MMOs which aren't neither subcription based, nor great, nor will last enough to be old.
Fulgore Campbell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-03-21 23:33:04 UTC
Nothing in this worlds free.
If you pay you are the consumer. If its free you are the product.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-22 02:07:58 UTC
You're right, and this stuff is well known in the gaming community, but to do it you must put most of your resources toward developing the quality of gameplay, with a much smaller emphasis on graphics and advertisement. And doing that is basically begging the stupid majority to overlook it completely and all of your investors will pull out.

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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-22 06:15:07 UTC
Goat Simulator MMO FTW!

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!
Serene Repose
#16 - 2015-03-22 07:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Omgitsbears wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
MMOs are on their way out and MT/F2P is here to stay.


F2P is just a type of payment system. MMOs aren't going anywhere, just the monthly subscription model has been on its way out for a long time now. Eve-Online gets away with it because its so easy to make the isk required every month to buy a PLEX.

Don't be daft. F2P drives the development of a game. It dictates first, how much the company is willing to pay a staff. Oops, there goes your talent, in comes marginal performers. It drives how ambitious projects will be, and the intent of development. Oops, there goes your meta game, here comes your 'you could do this if you just buy some ingame currency'.

EVE Online isn't getting away with anything, and your imagination isn't either. EVE is a completely different business model. Whereas, all the "new" MMOs are the same business model. Microtransactions. I can't believe anyone who's spent any real time gaming doesn't know this very simple, elementary set of facts.

I guess understanding what happened to MMOs requires understanding economics and the concept of capitalization vis a vis investment. Or, are you guys just imagining what happened, using your bulletproof logic, and offering speculation as fact? Hmmm....let's see. If it takes (in today's tortured economy with several European countries teetering on bankruptcy and one major player playing with money they print like grass on a lawn) enough capital to make the annual budget of a mid-sized country just to start up a game, and a mid-sized country with all its taxation can barely keep solvent, what hope does an MMO have to recoup the investment charging a few gamers $15 a month?

The games that stay afloat today are driven by 12-year olds running to mommy saying, "Mommy, it only costs five bucks!" and Mommy pulling out her Visa. Not by gamers who the first thing they want to do is figure out what mining vessel will get them enough ore the quickest to buy a PLEX.

By the way. I pay. I don't PLEX my accounts. TYVM.

Have a nice day! Big smile

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Fulgore Campbell
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-03-22 16:49:55 UTC
There are a few promising titles on kickstarter.
Maybe we just dont have the tech to make a game like that cost effecient yet?
I don't know.
I havnt even really enjoyed anything on my PS4 yet.
Got a pile of halph finished games that i dont even plan on finishing.
I just dont see the point and couldnt be bothered.
Wolfenstein and borderland were ok.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#18 - 2015-03-22 23:03:59 UTC
I'd really like to see something like EVE game system in an ancient or medieval warfare setting. Or even a post-apoc setting. Basically, the same concept of a sandbox with high sec, low sec, and no sec regions. With territorial conquest by groups of players, diplomacy, spying, infiltration, all that. And a real supply-and-demand economy, like EVE's. The same thing basically, but on the ground instead of in spaceships.

"That would be awesome!"
-Any 14-year-old discussing his idea for his dream game
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-03-23 09:43:25 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
I'd really like to see something like EVE game system in an ancient or medieval warfare setting. Or even a post-apoc setting. Basically, the same concept of a sandbox with high sec, low sec, and no sec regions. With territorial conquest by groups of players, diplomacy, spying, infiltration, all that. And a real supply-and-demand economy, like EVE's. The same thing basically, but on the ground instead of in spaceships.

"That would be awesome!"
-Any 14-year-old discussing his idea for his dream game



I imagined a blob battle between 20k eve players armed with medieval weapons and it looks fantastic. Probably one day, when the technology will be able to support it we will have huge medieval battle fielding thousands of players mmos.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#20 - 2015-03-24 03:38:34 UTC
EVE. EVE is the perfect mmo for me. It has pretty much everything i want. I always wanted a non xp grind single server mmo. so here i am for 11 years and here i shall remain.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
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