Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If concord behaved with any measure of realism, looting other players corpses would not be acceptable anywhere in highsec and would get you concorded too. But that's just not fun gameplay.

There is no ISK to be made by the gankers in Jita, Amarr and Dodixie (and to a point, Hek and Rens), because vultures picks every wrecks clean beyond Ludicrous Speed.

Highsec ganking is only as easy as the other players make it. You can avoid being a victim of it near 100%, and certainly you can make it unprofitable for someone to gank you, just by fitting your ship appropriately and not overloading it.

You should be looking for ways to use existing game mechanics to keep your cargo safe, not whining on the forum for CCP to change the rules of the game in your favour.

As to the OP, Jita-camping and suicide ganking in general is not a problem with the game but an intended mechanic which has been confirmed multiple times by CCP developers. Highsec is not safesec. Although I do like the idea of revamping smuggling and making contraband items meaningful, implementing that to stop the intended gameplay of highsec criminals seems counter-productive. There are ways to protect your haulers - spend your energy learning them rather that begging for buffs to your specific gameplay.

I will of course ignore the usual "gtfo" and similar comments.

Argument 1: High sec should not be safe
I see the issue of not even high sec being absolute sec. You are absolutely correct. But, high sec for me means, that pirating should be HARD there, and not as easy as it is now.

Argument 2: It will break the server
I'm a programmer, I don't think it will tbh. Enough arguments were made to counter it, e.g. that the server can keep track of module damage. Just don't make contraband and not contraband stack together, problem solved.

Argument 3: The rookie systems are safe, so what's your problem
Yes they are. But the learning curve of Eve is really steep. By the time you get out of the rookie system you barely know what you're doing. Otherwise see Argument 1.

The game could be more beginner friendly. The community will benefit from this in the long run, I think. I know this is not a popular opinion here and everyone wants to show how grown up and bad ass and pro he/she is.

Stop

Let me lay this out for you...

Back when I routinely ganked...

- the "success rate" of destroying a target ship was pretty good (assuming we scouted and organized properly).

- the amount of ISK rewards were pretty good (assuming we scouted our targets properly and/or actually cared about making a profit).
NOTE: it was always, and yet not, surprising to see how much (and how valuable) stuff people carried in their ships without taking precautions.

- the biggest pitfall was the amount of TIME that had to be sunk into each gank.
------- Moving pre-fit ships to the proper area,
------- Scouting the number of potential targets in the area (if any),
------- Waiting for the targets to come into the system,
------- How "smart" the targets were (sometimes they would just randomly warp/log off)

Often, we would be waiting for a good hour between each gank (all 6 of us). And there would be days where there were no "good ganks" to be had... at which point we would just gank for "fun" and eat the cost of our ships.


Also... you have to take the penalties of ganking into account:

Current penalties for suicide ganking...

Direct Penalties:
- you lose your ship
- you lose any insurance you have the ship
- you lose Security Status
- you gain a Suspect Flag for 10-15 minutes and can be shot at by anyone and everyone in the game without penalty
- you gain a Criminal Flag for 15 minutes (see: can't undock in high-sec in anything other than a pod without being CONCORDed again)

Indirect Penalties:
- if your Security Status goes below certain levels then you will find yourself less and less able to enter higher security systems without the Faction Police attacking you (you can still avoid them in smaller ships though).
- if your Security Status goes low enough (see: below -5.0) then you can be shot by anyone, anywhere, at any time.
- with lower Security Status you will be less and less able to get new supplies from high-sec trade hubs and must either buy from low-sec stations at a premium and/or rely on friends/alts to resupply you.
- if you want to raise your Security Status you must either kill pirate NPCs for a godawful amount of time or spend a fair bit of cash to buy the security tags needed.

Other Risks:
- you botch the gank attempt and eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the target may be tanked more than you think... resulting in a failed gank attempt where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the target never shows and you have wasted time.
- the loot that you are ganking for never drops... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- the gank is successful, the loot you want drops, but someone else picked it up before your friend/alt did... resulting in a failed gank where you eat the cost of the ship and gain a security hit (and 15 minutes of idle time) for no reason.
- you don't have enough people to properly suicide gank.



A lot of people think that ganking is easy. Just hop into a cheap dessie, warp, gank, wait out the 15 minute timer, rinse, and repeat.
(hint: all people see is the END result of a ganking operation... nothing before or after)

The truth is... Suicide Ganking, while fun, is a tedious profession that requires you to invest a fair amount of time, ISK, and logistics... because a Suicide Ganker's ability to succeed depends entirely on the choices (good or bad) of other players.