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We really do need to know what is going to happen with these as soon as CCP has concrete plans, simply due to the cost and scale of these investments for smaller entities. If a group is spending months to complete them, only to have them turn off a few weeks after they finish because the new structures come out and all that money is wasted, that's a problem.

If you could someway resolve the uncertainty quickly regarding these upgrades CCP, that would be very appreciated. I'm not saying you have to explain exactly what you are going to do, but at least make a statement that current Outpost owners will be compensated for their upgrades would be nice. That way people can keep going along as we have as we wait for these new structures to start appearing.

Either way - these plans look amazing, and I'm quite excited to see how these pan out. This is exactly the direction EVE needs to head.

Echoing the thoughts of other wormholers, I definitely hope that we get access to these new structures and they aren't limited only to sov null. If I invest in the biggest structures, I'd like to be able to build them in my wormhole.

Is CCP actually seriously considering adding NPC security forces in 0.0?

Will our existing structures be replaced by the new structures when they are implemented or will we be compensated for the old structures when they are removed from the game?

Will there be faction structures equal to faction POS?


It feels like a shield module shoud be a high slot or a mid slot. If you want shields, you would have to sacrifice either guns or ewar to have them. A higher shield hp could be gained by using more of your available slots, like fitting shield extenders to a ship.

Very much looking forward to this, stuctures and all that comes with it has been one of eve its biggest issues, atleast for me..

The way the game is going get a big thumb up, however, with eve being known for players taking breaks how would you think returning players would feel if after a while (some players take LOOOONG breaks) their assets they had in an outpost are all gone!? There should be a solution to this for long time away players.

Also with no more forcefields and mooring basicly showing your enemies what is on the sturcture, wouldnt that make supers and titans less of an extra wildcard and a very predictable thing in which case hostiles can always see where you have them and how many? A place where Titans and supers can log off and not be seen (and not talking about logging unsafe and cloacked) would be more then fair I guess, seeing these players put a lot of time and effort into getting their ships

Except for those to points I see a million things I like!

will these structures be limited to just the moons? It sounds like they won't all be.

While there is a lot not to like about the current way POS's work, I actually quite like that anchoring things is only limited by CPU and Power. It means that there is almost infinite variety with regards to POS configurations.

Moving to High, Low, Mid and Utility slots will pull out some of the variety to structure configurations. Every structure will logically have all types of modules fitted, which means that things like dickstars, dullstars and other min/max configurations will go by the wayside.

Being able to fit modules onto the structure rather than anchoring them is a wonderful idea, but making the limiting factor CPU and Power still will allow for much more in the way of flexibility with regards to configurations.

"#6 Fate of stored items on structure destruction
This is again a hot topic that needs to be addressed. We are currently discussing the following options:

Wreck: when a structure is destroyed, it could leave behind a non-destructible wreck. This wreck houses all the items the structure possessed at its destruction, and only the respectful owners could salvage them back. Players docked inside the structure would still remain docked inside the wreck (and still be invulnerable to attack), but will be unable to do so again should they choose to undock. Moored ships would however become vulnerable and up for grabs by anyone.


Containers: when a structure is destroyed, all assets are moved into special containers. A container exists for each individual that stored items in the structure, as well as corporation entities and are spread around planets. When this happens, an entry would appear on the owner journal giving a warp-in point to go to. Please note such containers would not be destructible at all, and could not be scanned until the rightful owner comes to retrieve his or her loot. The duration at which those entries would stay remains entirely dependent to the structure type and player condition when it was destroyed (logged off, account lapsed etc…). Player docked inside the structure would be spread around the solar system, while moored ships would become vulnerable and up for grabs. "


As someone who lives and stores his items in Null I find this mechanic stupid... I'm sorry and I live in the playground everyone loves to shoot in... But if a group took the time, got the members together, brought the big toys out, played with all these new mechanics... I should NOT have a safe passage to get my ****. It should be open to all like if any Starbase structure died. IF you are going to make something destroyable.. add RISK to the game.. ADD IT.

You want to see Balls to the walls fights then make them occur. People are going to group up for these fights if they CAN'T get those items back in safety. If all these new structures are going to be larger versions of the starbases, treat them the same. If I form 500-1000 people or an some Super cap Monster group of 100-200 people. Those people should be rewarded for showing up to the fights and winning it. Not giving safe passage and specific player access only cans. Loot show goto the Victor or the brave can raider. Who snuck in as it exploded.

Either Bring Risk as you describe... or don't.

I hope you are not considering to bring this into WHs

I very much agree with this, not only for adjusting balance (which will be an issue now similar to ships because of fitting modules) but because I imagine POSes and outposts get A LOT of industry usage across New Eden as a whole, so any bad bugs or poor design of the capabilities of assembly arrays, research labs, and drilling platforms when they go live could have a strong effect on the economy, at least in the short term.

Having seen the UI Modernization Panel, I know SiSi is intended for next-release features only, so if you could get Duality available to us as soon as prototypes are available would be super-awesome!

My own comments and suggestions:

I support the idea of Admin Hubs replacing TCUs, especially if you could absorb iHubs into them, too. I know with Sov 5.0 you guys want Sov and iHub benefits able to be separately controlled, but I think that the more consolidated the administrative systems of a null-sec system is, the better (this isn't coming from someone involved in managing a sov-holding alliance, but I'd imagine those people would agree). Plus it seems strange that you could have separate owners of the TCU and the iHub, meaning the supposed "owners" of the system could have no way of upgrading their own space, but yet the iHub indices control the rate of capture for the TCU.

I am however a little concerned with the idea of Office/Market Hubs replacing POCOs. If they have docking/mooring capabilities, assuming the POCO functionality would be usable while docked, this will reduce the danger of warping to a fixed, universally-accesable point in the system to import/export PI materials. Whether or not the POCO functionality would be accessible from the inside of the Office/Market Hub, if the Hub had any sort of production service installed (possibly regardless of structure bonuses, depending on how large of a bonus the Assembly Arrays will get), you'd have a similar effect: players would stay inside to use the Hub as a one-stop shop for picking up PI materials and using them in traditional station-based industry. At best you could undock, pick up PI materials, dock back up, produce a higher-tier good (likely buying other components through the market service), and then sell the new product on the market. At worst you could stay docked/moored while doing this, perfectly safe the entire time. While no serious industrialist will advocate for being vulnerable to ganking, and I have no idea how common ganking at POCOs actually is, making industrialists too safe will take away some degree of gameplay opportunities and in any case, risk, which is a fundamental aspect of EVE gameplay as a whole. If Market Hubs are merged with POCOs it should be done in such a way to retain some risk for those people who will use them primarily as POCOs.

EDIT: Also want to voice my support for service-based fuel consumption over time, I think this will definitely help out smaller, less well-financed characters/groups who want to use these structures.



^Same question, and I am in favor of a prime-time window of some length (or whatever new system CCP may decide on after looking at the timezone survey responses) for any structure that interacts with Entosis Links, seeing as we already get reinforcement timers for current POS, POCOs, even Mobile Depots.

Third, docking/mooring, jump clone services, and possibly even ship repair services at structures deployed in wormhole space should be taken into account.