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EVE as an esport, kinda.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-03-21 01:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
The live tournament and the Korean video submission were fortuitous events.

Presenting EVE in a live tournament format is great for credibility with esport culture. Demographically, and socially. e.g. Koreans and their Starcraft.

It was mentioned in one of the speeches that most of EVE's players are in Engineering or Physics. Just so happens so are a lot of Asians. They're also big into gaming and esports, if you haven't heard.

I have a feeling yesterday was the first day of EVE's new future. That is, if you continue with this commitment to appealing to the esport and, by association, the Asian demographic.

EVE is confounding at times, but presented in this way, the challenge is a good thing.

PS. As a Korean speaker, I enjoyed the winning video like a very early Christmas present. Blew my mind.

PPS. I seem to recall a post by someone who mentioned a live tournament at Fanfest.

PPPS. esporting events have better prizes, though. Work on that one maybe. Headphones and stuff is something you give as goodie bags, not the main prize. Yes, I realize the yacht, but it's an in-game item and to outsiders it's not very impressive. In fact to us, it's only impressive because things like that don't happen often, when in other games there are new items every day for $0.99

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Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-03-21 01:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Without the hyphen it looks like spanglish

Quote:
Hey Primo, what kind of esports are on tv holmes?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2015-03-21 01:46:09 UTC
Awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Now I'm going to ekeep it that way.

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Noriko Mai
#4 - 2015-03-21 01:47:28 UTC
I DON'T approvethis thrad.It'salready fullfofcrap°!

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2015-03-21 01:53:43 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
I DON'T approvethis thrad.It'salready fullfofcrap°!


Uh oh!

Someone's in his cups again.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jenshae Chiroptera
#6 - 2015-03-21 01:56:47 UTC
I watch the tournaments to learn about the enemies' tactics and some good gang ships.

I do not care who wins or loses, they are strangers to me and irrelevant.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-03-21 02:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
PPPS. Tournament commentating and talking heads panel needs a bigger representation of women. CCP Leeloo is plenty hot enough to be the prize girl, but overall the stream is nearly all men.

Off the top of my head, CCP Mimic, CCP Tara, CCP Leeloo... for their multinational accents. EVE comms are beautiful for all the accents.

CCP Punkturis can come too. (Definitely bring CCP Punkturis).

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#8 - 2015-03-21 02:03:37 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
PPPS. Tournament commentating and talking heads panel needs a bigger representation of women. CCP Leeloo is plenty hot enough to be the prize girl, but overall the stream is nearly all men.
Youtube, skip right past the talking heads.
Amateurs these days! Sheesh! Roll

P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-03-21 03:01:56 UTC
Lastly, CCP, you need to acknowledge the tournament format and provide it to players in-game. Whether you make it a lore-based fight simulation thing, or a module that will protect the participants (and kill anyone who strays) in all classes of space, the tournament as an activity needs to happen more naturally in EVE. Not providing this would be, and is, a huge shortcoming.

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Noriko Mai
#10 - 2015-03-21 03:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Mr Epeen wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
I DON'T approvethis thrad.It'salready fullfofcrap°!


Uh oh!

Someone's in his cups again.

Mr Epeen Cool

yoUUu. How you. daRe., I ,..- dont likeyou post eihter!1!^°edit. idori ght !dont blame me

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#11 - 2015-03-21 03:19:15 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Lastly, CCP, you need to acknowledge the tournament format and provide it to players in-game. Whether you make it a lore-based fight simulation thing, or a module that will protect the participants (and kill anyone who strays) in all classes of space, the tournament as an activity needs to happen more naturally in EVE. Not providing this would be, and is, a huge shortcoming.

instancing, why are you asking for instancing ??
Serene Repose
#12 - 2015-03-21 03:46:56 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I watch the tournaments to learn about the enemies' tactics and some good gang ships.

I do not care who wins or loses, they are strangers to me and irrelevant.
Spoken like a person truly committed to representing the "whole" player base.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-03-21 03:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
This is why odd things that have happened in the past (which Serene exaggerates as "rigged" [far be it from her to overstate a case]) are so annoying. This is EVE's golden moment. This annual tournament is the one greatest events in all of gaming. In this you get the best of the best, hands down, no questions asked.

Having the ability with the game to reach this level of competition is the true PvP aspect of EVE and should be the aspiration of all fighter pilots, flight commanders, CEOs - and should be duly appreciated by the industrialists, mining interests and merchants across New Eden. This tournament reflects well upon us all.

I'd much prefer these able capsuleers be the standard against which this game is judged, rather than the pedestrian, gutter snipe suicide ganker. That the reverse is so is a travesty. A hull-tanked 'phoon. What balls they have!

Congratulations all around, and I'm glad some of you have at last grasped what this tournament is really about.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-03-21 06:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Hengle Teron wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Lastly, CCP, you need to acknowledge the tournament format and provide it to players in-game. Whether you make it a lore-based fight simulation thing, or a module that will protect the participants (and kill anyone who strays) in all classes of space, the tournament as an activity needs to happen more naturally in EVE. Not providing this would be, and is, a huge shortcoming.

instancing, why are you asking for instancing ??

Not instancing.

Lore-wise, the story would be that capsuleers like to fight each other in 5v5 arranged matches, and this is done either by transferring their consciousness to a simulation for the match, or they meet in person at a deployable module that runs a set of tournament matches for them. (warps them to their opposite staging spots, they select their warp-in ranges, and the deployable will warp them at their desired ranges simultaneously... and then will protect them from outsiders but also destroy their ship if they leave the field).

Having the deployable run fleet takes care of warfare booster shenanigans, btw. And with all our ship technology, the automation of relinquishing control to a deployable isn't so weird.

The benefit would be the tournament as an activity (and format) will be more natural to EVE, and more people will talk about it, participate in it, and streamed tournaments wouldn't be this -contrived- scenario that requires a team of devs and special code jury rigged to make it all work.

basically, the esport format would be a part of EVE, and EVE would be seen as an Esport.

1v1 too. or whatver vs whatever matches, agreed upon by the participants.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-21 06:54:51 UTC

And allow players to place bets. A percentage of the proceeds could go to the winning team.

Scamming would be allowed, of course..

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-03-21 06:57:25 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-03-21 07:01:03 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
I DON'T approvethis thrad.It'salready fullfofcrap°!


Uh oh!

Someone's in his cups again.

Mr Epeen Cool


haha I can't be in my cups because I'm in a bottle!

but kidding aside... yea I think eve has pretty decent e-sports potential, but could certainly be worked on more. had a decent discussion at the eve-tournament roundtable last year. I remember people saying how they wish there could be more tournaments and more player run tournaments specifically.

the way it is now, it just feels way too easy to cheat or interfere with a player run tournament. which seemed to be the main complaint.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2015-03-21 07:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Yeah, it's unsupported in the client, and requires too much work to run, even if it's by devs using dev hacks. Meanwhile, there's this growing craze in gaming where gamers want to spectate their PVP.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-03-21 07:09:09 UTC
eve is not and should not be an esport, if we start changing EVE to suit whatever is the current popular gaming trend, you know what will happen? the devs will NEVER keep up, and like any game that tries to change itself constantly to suit the market, well have at best a transient playerbase with no infrastructure or core culture, at worse the game will die outright (which in that case may be a merciful death compared to being exploited as a milking cow with no constant design direction)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2015-03-21 07:11:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Except, obviously, CCP is making efforts to acknowledge esports. Do you hear yourself, though? A games company shouldn't try to suit the market, are you crazy?

"Core culture" is a known fallacy of game design, by the way. You don't have a core culture above all others. You have a diverse culture of many types.

Another related factoid is that in any group, you have subcultures, and microcultures (or subcommunities and microcommunities). So in direct contradiction of your point, as a group grows, it is impossible to maintain a uniform culture.

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