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Is there a big difference in the amount of time between going from -1.50 to 5 and from 1 to 5
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QFX
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-12-20 07:12:00 UTC
Faction standings?

If theres a big difference, how fast could YOU go from -1.50 to 5 ??
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#2 - 2011-12-20 09:09:59 UTC
Jesus man, you're clutching at straws now, stop
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#3 - 2011-12-20 09:13:06 UTC
Two words (if you can use them with your standings, but I have a feeling you can't): Data centres.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2011-12-20 11:01:33 UTC
Standings gains are expressed as a percentage. Each L3 distribution mission completed might give you, say, 0.2% standings gain. That percentage is a portion of the difference between whatever your standings are now, and +10.0.

Thus if your standings are -1.0, that 0.2% standings will award you an absolute standings gain of (2/100 * 11) or about 0.022. If your standings are 4.0, you will get a (2/100 * 6) or about 0.012. Thus as your standings get closer to 5.0, your absolute standings gains will slow down.

One can look at this mathematically: a standings gain of 0.2% is the same as reducing the distance from 10.0 by 99.8%. If you run six missions back to back, you will gain the cumulative bonus of initial standings S + (10-S) * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8%, which can also be expressed as S * 99.8%^6. Thus:

S + (10-S) * (1 - 99.8% ^ N) = 5.0

Where N is the number of missions, S is the initial standings.

Which puts N somewhere around 400 given S =-1.2 (though this does not take into account storyline missions).

Good luck!

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QFX
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-20 11:21:56 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Standings gains are expressed as a percentage. Each L3 distribution mission completed might give you, say, 0.2% standings gain. That percentage is a portion of the difference between whatever your standings are now, and +10.0.

Thus if your standings are -1.0, that 0.2% standings will award you an absolute standings gain of (2/100 * 11) or about 0.022. If your standings are 4.0, you will get a (2/100 * 6) or about 0.012. Thus as your standings get closer to 5.0, your absolute standings gains will slow down.

One can look at this mathematically: a standings gain of 0.2% is the same as reducing the distance from 10.0 by 99.8%. If you run six missions back to back, you will gain the cumulative bonus of initial standings S + (10-S) * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8% * 99.8%, which can also be expressed as S * 99.8%^6. Thus:

S + (10-S) * (1 - 99.8% ^ N) = 5.0

Where N is the number of missions, S is the initial standings.

Which puts N somewhere around 400 given S =-1.2 (though this does not take into account storyline missions).

Good luck!


wow, thanks for making feel dumb ;p
I wish I could like you more than one time on that post, thank you so much for such a detailed explanation.

I can have an idea of how many missions I will need now.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-20 11:32:06 UTC
QFX wrote:
Faction standings?

If theres a big difference, how fast could YOU go from -1.50 to 5 ??


I already posted the fastest way to gain Faction standing in your other thread.

Seriously, if you work the 'Plan' you can get to +5.00 standing with a specific Faction within a few days to a week max, depending on how much time you spend in-game.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7 - 2011-12-20 11:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
DMC's Faction Standing Repair Plan will get your standings up to respectable levels in far, far fewer than 400 missions.

(and I'm crying myself to sleep because I can't remember how to solve that simple equation for N)

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QFX
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-20 11:42:12 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
DMC's Faction Standing Repair Plan will get your standings up to respectable levels in far, far fewer than 400 missions.

(and I'm crying myself to sleep because I can't remember how to solve that simple equation for N)


DeMichael Crimson wrote:
QFX wrote:
Faction standings?

If theres a big difference, how fast could YOU go from -1.50 to 5 ??


I already posted the fastest way to gain Faction standing in your other thread.

Seriously, if you work the 'Plan' you can get to +5.00 standing with a specific Faction within a few days to a week max, depending on how much time you spend in-game.


Thank you guys, you're the best :)

I will follow your guide DeMichael and let you know how long it took me, how about that? :p

Starting tomorrow from a -1.5 minmatar, going for 5.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2011-12-20 12:20:07 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
S + (10-S) * (1 - 99.8% ^ N) = 5.0


To solve for N, I need to be able to express this as X ^ N = K, at which point I can simplify to log(X^N) = log(K), which simplifies to N x log(X) = log(K), which means that N = log(K) / log(X).

I'll show my working here because I'm tired and bored, and hopefully someone with a bigger brain can help me out.

S + (10-S) x (1 - 99.8% ^ N) = 5.0

(10-S) x (1 - 99.8% ^ N) = 5.0 -S … (-S)

1 - 99.8% ^ N = (5.0 - S) / (10-S) … (/(10-S))

- 99.8% ^ N = (5.0 - S) / (10-S) - 1 … (-1)

99.8% ^ N = 1 - (5.0 - S) / (10-S) … ( x -1)

log(99.8% ^ N) = log(1 - (5.0 - S) / (10-S)) …(log)

N = log(1 - (5-S)/(10-S)) / log( 0.002)

Where S is (-1.5)

N = log(0.588) / log(0.002)

… which leads to N = 11.7

… which means I obviously fail at math. Calculating by hand, I have to set N to approx 403 to satisfy for S=1.5.

I have this in my spreadsheet:
=-1.2 + (10+1.2) * (1-POWER(99.8/100,A2))

and setting A2 to 403 gives me about 5.0

Oh waitaminute. That's 0.998, not 1-0.998, and I have 1.2 instead of 1.5. I really am one of the walking dead aren't I?

So adjust spreadsheet:

=-1.5 + (10+1.5) * (1-POWER(99.8/100,A2))

And adjust formula:

N = log(1 - (5+1.5)/(10+1.5)) / log( 0.998)


And there we go: N ≈ 416. Entering 416 into A2 of the spreadsheet will give us the value 4.996 in the calculation cell.

Okay, I've fat-brained my way to a solution that looks like it works:

N = ceiling( log(1 - (F-S)/(10-S))/log(1-M) )

N is number of missions to run
S is starting standings
F is desired standings (i.e.: finishing standings)
M is standings gain from repeatable activity, expressed as a decimal percentage (e.g.: 0.2% -> 0.002)

A totally useless formula, but I had fun 'cos I don't normally deal with exponential equations and had to dig out my mathematics notes to remember how to solve exponential equations.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2011-12-22 00:05:45 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Two words (if you can use them with your standings, but I have a feeling you can't): Data centres.


When I fixed my Gall standings, I used their l1 data centers while I was KOS. Not to hard for a shuttle to outrun the faction Po Po.

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Rawmeat Mary
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#11 - 2011-12-23 18:24:39 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Two words (if you can use them with your standings, but I have a feeling you can't): Data centres.


When I fixed my Gall standings, I used their l1 data centers while I was KOS. Not to hard for a shuttle to outrun the faction Po Po.

Same, was -6.0 with Amarr (with Diplomacy V) and did all the L1 Datacenter Agents in a shuttle, dropped down to -4.76 and thus no KOS anymore.

You can also do the allied race's Datacenters for the derived standings too. Also, train your Social skills if not done already.

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