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BPO Research Profit Per Slot
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Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#1 - 2011-12-22 12:31:04 UTC
I'm in the process of performing due diligence for a new BPO research & copy venture. One of the things I'm getting really hung up on is the math behind calculating my daily and monthly (28-day) profit per slot. I want to keep the ME/PE/Copy slots humming 24/7 in 3 Mobile Laboratories. That comes out to 21 working slots (9 ME, 9PE, 3 Copy).

Am I totally on the wrong track to simply add up the length of time for ME/PE research on a particular BPO, figure out how many could be made utilizing one slot by dividing 28 days by that time, and then multiplying the result by 18 slots (9ME/9PE)?

For example, let's say I have these numbers for a BPO ...

ME80 takes 3d3h
PE60 takes 2d8h15m
5d11h15m

In a period of 28 days, utilizing 1 total slot at any given time (we're combining the time it takes for both processes, which only ever use one slot, ME or PE, at a given time), I could make 5 whole BPOs of this ME/PE. Multiplied by 18 total ME/PE slots, I could make 90 (actually, more like 92) whole BPOs at this ME/PE in 28 days.

Then I would price each BPO using a realistic contract value, subtract the cost of POS fuel and the initial BPO cost, and the result would be my projected profit, right? (I would also add in potential revenue from having 3 copy slots busy constantly churning out BPCs.)

Does that sound about right, or am I totally off?
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#2 - 2011-12-22 12:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Don't know how research works but if you can only use ME slots for ME work you would need to take this into account and use this as your time in 28/time as it is the longer and will restrict your total. If slots are interchangable your maths looks fine if not you will be able to do more PE ops than ME ops in 28 days.

Hope this helps despite my ignorance of the finer points of the mechanics.

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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#3 - 2011-12-22 12:55:18 UTC
Sounds rather complicated tbh but why not.

Tough I have come a conclusion that 28 days or reseach costs about 30mil and it doesn't matter what reseach it is if it's not invention or reverse engineering. And also certain copies have a greater value based on the demand of the copies and how much of them are available.

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Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#4 - 2011-12-22 13:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mu-Shi Ai
Professor Alphane wrote:
Don't know how research works but if you can only use ME slots for ME work you would need to take this into account and use this as your time in 28/time as it is the longer and will restrict your total. If slots are interchangable your maths looks fine if not you will be able to do more PE ops than ME ops in 28 days.

Hope this helps despite my ignorance of the finer points of the mechanics.


That's the confusing part for me, dealing with the differential in research times between ME and PE, which can be an issue when you're researching BPOs up to different values in those two areas. I'm trying to calculate it as though I were keeping the slots humming at all times. So for example, I wouldn't just wait for a round of ME research to finish before starting another PE job (in other words, I'd have multiples of the BPO in question and keep cycling new ones through as possible).

I think I can add the ME/PE research times for a single BPO together, treat that as 1 "slot", and divide 28 by that time to figure out how many BPOs that "slot" researches in 4 week period. Then I can multiply by 18 to figure out how many such BPOs would be researched across 9ME/9PE slots. I guess I'm just wondering if that calculation method is sound, or if I'm totally off-base with the math here. It's this sort of math that I have a hard time visualizing in my head, so while I think I'm on solid ground, I can't help but second-guess myself.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#5 - 2011-12-22 13:36:25 UTC
You'll get 9 ME ops and 12 PE ops in a month per slot, times 9 is 81 and 108. I'm assuming as they are stated as diffrent things on evlopedia stats ME slots can only be used for ME ops. If you can find 3 more ME slots somewhere you would be able to complete 108 total ops a month, if not your restricted to 81 total with 'spare time' on your PE slots.

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Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#6 - 2011-12-22 23:46:23 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
You'll get 9 ME ops and 12 PE ops in a month per slot, times 9 is 81 and 108. I'm assuming as they are stated as diffrent things on evlopedia stats ME slots can only be used for ME ops. If you can find 3 more ME slots somewhere you would be able to complete 108 total ops a month, if not your restricted to 81 total with 'spare time' on your PE slots.


Thanks. Last night I couldn't properly compute what you were saying, but this morning I woke up with the revelation that it makes total sense. Of course my production of whole BPOs at a given ME/PE would be bottlenecked by the slowest link in the chain (ME in this case). The excess PE wouldn't go to waste, of course, as I'd keep it churning nonetheless, but in terms of complete BPOs researched, that will necessarily be limited by the time length of the ME research in this case. I have a tendency to forget to simplify problems when necessary. Lol
Nevryn Takis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-12-23 12:20:37 UTC
Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
You'll get 9 ME ops and 12 PE ops in a month per slot, times 9 is 81 and 108. I'm assuming as they are stated as diffrent things on evlopedia stats ME slots can only be used for ME ops. If you can find 3 more ME slots somewhere you would be able to complete 108 total ops a month, if not your restricted to 81 total with 'spare time' on your PE slots.


Thanks. Last night I couldn't properly compute what you were saying, but this morning I woke up with the revelation that it makes total sense. Of course my production of whole BPOs at a given ME/PE would be bottlenecked by the slowest link in the chain (ME in this case). The excess PE wouldn't go to waste, of course, as I'd keep it churning nonetheless, but in terms of complete BPOs researched, that will necessarily be limited by the time length of the ME research in this case. I have a tendency to forget to simplify problems when necessary. Lol

You're also assuming that either you or the person running the jobs is available 24/7 and can switch the jobs around 1 second after they complete..
With perfect skills you can only run 10 jobs, so with 9 ME, 9PE, 3 Copy, and 15 Invention slots, you'd need multiple alts to keep them all occupied 24/7
Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#8 - 2011-12-23 12:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mu-Shi Ai
Nevryn Takis wrote:
You're also assuming that either you or the person running the jobs is available 24/7 and can switch the jobs around 1 second after they complete..


Yes, I understand that. But I'm trying to calculate the ideal numbers for exploratory purposes, not because I am the uber research planner who will never waste a single second of time on a research slot.

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With perfect skills you can only run 10 jobs, so with 9 ME, 9PE, 3 Copy, and 15 Invention slots, you'd need multiple alts to keep them all occupied 24/7


With perfect skills, you can run 11 jobs (though Advanced Laboratory Research 5 takes like a month to train). I am going to use multiple characters, though I'm not using the Invention slots, since I don't plan to do any invention at the moment. 2 alts will cut it, with perhaps a gimped 3rd rounding them out for the 21st slot.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#9 - 2011-12-23 17:25:41 UTC
To be honest I kind of assumed you could queue jobs, but as I say I've never done it so don't know.

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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#10 - 2011-12-23 17:59:55 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
To be honest I kind of assumed you could queue jobs, but as I say I've never done it so don't know.


You can but queueing takes up a job slot.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#11 - 2011-12-23 18:11:40 UTC
Riley Moore wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
To be honest I kind of assumed you could queue jobs, but as I say I've never done it so don't know.


You can but queueing takes up a job slot.



K cheers all good info if I ever want to 'try my hand'

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