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Going up against a larger ship?

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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-12 19:10:13 UTC
Not worried about the fitting and weapons, as that can come later, but what ship would I need irrespective of race to go up against a pvp fitted Scorpion in 1 to 1 pvp, and stand a good chance of beating it?
Cristl
#2 - 2015-03-12 19:23:49 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Not worried about the fitting and weapons, as that can come later, but what ship would I need irrespective of race to go up against a pvp fitted Scorpion in 1 to 1 pvp, and stand a good chance of beating it?

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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-03-12 19:29:30 UTC
Right, I'll ask there. Thanks.
Memphis Baas
#4 - 2015-03-12 19:37:15 UTC
Are you sure it's a 1 vs 1 fight? The Scorpion is designed to support a fleet through ECM jamming the enemy, preventing target locks. Not many fly such a ship solo.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-03-12 19:38:34 UTC
Curse :D

Ishtar, no seriously, Ishtar.
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-03-12 19:44:16 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Are you sure it's a 1 vs 1 fight? The Scorpion is designed to support a fleet through ECM jamming the enemy, preventing target locks. Not many fly such a ship solo.


Yes 101% sure. He flies a Scorpion.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2015-03-12 19:46:05 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Are you sure it's a 1 vs 1 fight? The Scorpion is designed to support a fleet through ECM jamming the enemy, preventing target locks. Not many fly such a ship solo.

An ECM Scorpion uses ECM and range for its "tank". Anything getting close enough to hit it, or reducing its range (damps) is a threat. Last I piloted one, Scorpions had pathetic DPS.

Scorpion Navy Issue is different, as it is really a Raven with more tank.
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-03-12 19:52:02 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
Are you sure it's a 1 vs 1 fight? The Scorpion is designed to support a fleet through ECM jamming the enemy, preventing target locks. Not many fly such a ship solo.

An ECM Scorpion uses ECM and range for its "tank". Anything getting close enough to hit it, or reducing its range (damps) is a threat. Last I piloted one, Scorpions had pathetic DPS.

Scorpion Navy Issue is different, as it is really a Raven with more tank.


No idea if it was a regular Scorpion or a naval issue, I just recognised it as a Scorpion.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2015-03-12 22:21:34 UTC
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PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-03-13 00:40:02 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
This thread has been moved to Ships & Modules.


Dude, seriously, stop moving so many threads and posts around like some overly officious traffic warden; it's really ruining my forum viewing pleasure as I have to do this on my mobile phone at work!

To the original message: I'd use a Drake. Rapid heavy launchers and a neut in the hi slots, faction ammo and FoF missiles to counter jamming. Mid slots I'd have mwd, mjd, long and short points and possibly 2 invulns. Low slots 1 dcu and 3 bcus. Rigs would be 3 extenders. Drones are your choice.

Let me know if this works for you. ...I'm probably gonna get a ban for criticizing the ISD staff :-P
Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2015-03-13 01:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
PhantomMajor wrote:

To the original message: I'd use a Drake. Rapid heavy launchers and a neut in the hi slots, faction ammo and FoF missiles to counter jamming. Mid slots I'd have mwd, mjd, long and short points and possibly 2 invulns. Low slots 1 dcu and 3 bcus. Rigs would be 3 extenders. Drones are your choice.


Wat?™

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PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-03-17 06:39:59 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:

To the original message: I'd use a Drake. Rapid heavy launchers and a neut in the hi slots, faction ammo and FoF missiles to counter jamming. Mid slots I'd have mwd, mjd, long and short points and possibly 2 invulns. Low slots 1 dcu and 3 bcus. Rigs would be 3 extenders. Drones are your choice.


Wat?™


Aw, dont tell me CCP nerfed the Drake again :-)
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-03-20 08:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
You need to establish what kind of Scorpion - the Scorpion, Navy issue, and Rattlesnake are very, VERY different in purpose and playstyle. If this guy flies one solo it's almost certainly one of the latter two, but without knowing which we can't help you to be honest.

- Scorpions jam your targeting and have poor to mediocre DPS and tank.
- Scorpion Navy Issues are tanked up missile boats, very much an upgraded Raven.
- Rattlesnakes use small numbers of very strong and tough drones, usually paired with secondary missiles.

So yeah as you can imagine; what works against one will have you explode in short order to either of the others.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2015-03-20 08:58:06 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
You need to establish what kind of Scorpion - the Scorpion, Navy issue, and Rattlesnake are very, VERY different in purpose and playstyle. If this guy flies one solo it's almost certainly one of the latter two, but without knowing which we can't help you to be honest.

- Scorpions jam your targeting and have poor to mediocre DPS and tank.
- Scorpion Navy Issues are tanked up missile boats, very much an upgraded Raven.
- Rattlesnakes use small numbers of very strong and tough drones, usually paired with secondary missiles.

So yeah as you can imagine; what works against one will have you explode in short order to either of the others.


OP needs to read this.


Also, then you have to take into account the pilot and fitting. If that pilot if a decently good pvper you will have to take a different approach compared to if it's a "clueless pve bear". There's just no obvious and easy answer to this without knowing more of the variables.
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2015-03-20 11:35:39 UTC
its most likely hes not alone (read: offgrid booster, neutral repper who will land on grid right after you attack, cloaky bombers/recons etc) its eve

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Kain Duku
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
#16 - 2015-03-20 13:15:33 UTC
Is it a mission runner or some such?
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#17 - 2015-03-20 22:48:14 UTC
If it's a Widow... it's a trap.

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-03-20 23:58:56 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
If it's a Widow... it's a trap.


Oh yeah forgot that one.

- If it's a Widow: when you attack it 20 of his friends will teleport in and blap you.
Aluka 7th
#19 - 2015-03-22 05:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
For fight against any Scorp hull use 2k+ dps sh. boosted Vindicator with ECCM.
Alternative is neuting ship with drones like triple rep domi with all heavy neuts in high.
Valkin Mordirc
#20 - 2015-03-22 06:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
If your fighting a standard Scorp, Ishtar, VNI would probably do best. Really anything that can fight while being jammed Drones are an obvious choice.


As for a Scorp Navy issue, if it's torp fitted a Deimos should handle it if you can manager your reps and cap, same for a duel rep Sac.


As for a Rattler, you would probably need a Vindicator, or some other Battleships as if the Rattler is using a Gecko your probably boned if your in any sort of cruiser.


Note: My thoughts, Personally I would just meet a Battleship with a Battleship because I like my battleships. XP
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