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*New* Abundant Null Ore changes & Doubling of Zyd/Mega consumption

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#1 - 2015-03-20 06:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Greetings,

Now, sit tight, but I'm pretty sure I heard that during the Game Design panel speech yesterday, one of the devs said that Nullsec would be getting some new type of rocks that would yield ALL of the materials required for the construction of most ships in proportion to their requirments.

Meaning: Same asteroids yielding both base ores and high-end. Also talked about - the removal of base ores like Veldspar from nullsec completely.

Am I imagining this, or is this the case?

Full March 19th Fanfest Day 1 stream can be viewed here: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/638754943

I am trying to locate that particular presentation.

Regards,

Smile

UPDATED APRIL 2ND, 2015: For Megacyte and Zydrine information view this post - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5634188#post5634188
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-03-20 06:24:12 UTC
Doesn't that lead to stagnation?

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#3 - 2015-03-20 06:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Gimme Sake wrote:
Doesn't that lead to stagnation?


Elaborate. Because I see it as dynamic - more production in null - more trade hubs there, leading to more minerals reserved for the Empire space -> cheaper ships & modules = Equals more PVP.

Smile

Found the start of the 0.0 Sec presentation by Fozzie - http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/638754943 At 2:28:00.

Quote 1:

Quote:
"We truly believe that Nullsec should be very valuable and desirable."


Very interesting. Reminds me of times when I used to mine Arkonor & Bistot for massive profit in my Thorax back in 2004. Pirate

+++

Nullsec Mining part starts at 2:29:20! Big smile Watching.

Quote 2:

Quote:
"Some forms of ISK making in Nullsec need more help than others; We are ready to announce some changes we are making, specifically for Nullsec Mining --- This is also scheduled for April release

There are a series of changes, which we are incorporating a lot of great ideas that came from CSM miners... The actual change is a Complete Rebuild of Nullsec ORES!"


Damn, I'm good - more to come. PirateBear

Quote 3:

Quote:
"After these changes, the ore prospecting array nullsec anomalies will contain only Nullsec ores, but the Nullsec ores themselves will contain ALL of the minerals you need to build everything you want to build in Nullsec."


Woop Woop. Big smile

Quote 4 at 2:31:00:

Quote:
"The goal here is to build a system that is much more sustainable, that allows people to increase Nullsec self-sufficiency - Allow you to build what you need to build at home."


Let the Games, BEGIN. Twisted
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-20 07:11:52 UTC
From the perspective "I have all I need right here, no need to do anything else.". Sounds more like a "skeleton key" type of resource.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#5 - 2015-03-20 07:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Which is perfectly fine, considering the risks and logistics involved.

Sov will be ping-ponged a lot in the new system, so don't view it as a safe haven which will be built upon.

Many moons ago, the Delve region was the most desirable piece of real estate due to its moon resources - All of Eve converged on it, resulting in the destruction of Band of Brothers.

I'm expecting the same this time around, especially, when various 0.0 regions won't be in sync with respect to resources: Make only 3-5 regions the most desirable under the new ore system, among other things, and you will have EVE on fire. Twisted

Disclosure: I don't currently live in Nullsec. Can't say I'm not planning to. Blink
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-03-20 07:30:44 UTC
As long as they're not available in every region and system it seems fine, although it should be a a totally random and not predetermined occurrence.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#7 - 2015-03-20 07:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Gimme Sake wrote:
As long as they're not available in every region and system it seems fine, although it should be a a totally random and not predetermined occurrence.


Oh that's for certain, the devs can make a few random number generator rolls as to which regions get 'em and then settle on a permanent configuration/distribution that would go live on TQ, which would provide the most dynamic player content. Bear

NICE REGION, WE'LL TAKE IT!
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-03-20 07:41:59 UTC

Now it sounds like fun. Pirate

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-03-20 07:54:14 UTC
Well, maybe they'll fix Drone Regions, too. Someday, yeah.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#10 - 2015-03-20 07:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Chenguang Hucel-Ge wrote:
Well, maybe they'll fix Drone Regions, too. Someday, yeah.


I've never been interested in the history, demographics and geology of that area due to dddrone loot mainly and secondly due to the distance from the Galactice core Empires relative to other Nullsec.

Tell me, though, how many Drone regions are there in total? Five, Seven? Let's say that the two of these get VERY lucrative resources - now that's fun. Pirate

Edit: Current Sov holdings map - http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png ; Coalitions map - http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coalitioninfluence.png

My proposal for the 5 uber regions: just One in the North, One in the South, Two in the East, One in the West.

Game. Set. Match.

Big smileBig smileBig smile
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#11 - 2015-03-20 13:52:11 UTC
having new ore would only be good for miners that are to busy either going on CTA or mining Ice to keep pos and caps fueled

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-03-20 14:48:01 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Meaning: Same asteroids yielding both base ores and high-end. Also talked about - the removal of base ores like Veldspar from nullsec completely.


It is a bit early to get excited about it since there isn't anything definite enough to analyze. In my part of null, mex is the limiting factor for producing things. It was also the limiting factor when corps I was in were located in Fountain and Immensea. I find it interesting that I'm usually mining Kernite, Jaspet, Hedbergite and Hemorphite out in nullsec.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#13 - 2015-03-20 17:49:11 UTC
to correct the transcript a little, it was CSM Mynnna, (not miners)

The idea is to rebalance the ores available, to adjust where the bottlenecks are.

Right now, nullsec production seriously bottlenecks on the lower end ores (mid end? you know what I mean) Which has people mining the highends for export, over producing, and tanking that market. Which has problems for the values of those ores.


I'd like to see larger changes happen, but those would require a relatively significant time investment, so not soon.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#14 - 2015-03-21 10:57:30 UTC
I haven't watched the talk on nullsec Sovreignty yet but I doubt CCP would want to have sufficient availability for all the minerals in null, low, high, and WH systems. It would as another pointed out potentially cause stagnation and would go against the risk and conflict driver principles.

I can see why you think they would do that as it would placate the nullsec community but whether it would be good in the long term is doubtful.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-03-21 16:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Mayaki
Anybody else getting sick of all the Nullsec buffs?

Why CCP wishes to nerf highsec mining is a mystery to me. I guess those highsec miners isk/hr is just too high.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#16 - 2015-03-21 17:16:15 UTC
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
Anybody else getting sick of all the Nullsec buffs?

Why CCP wishes to nerf highsec mining is a mystery to me. I guess those highsec miners isk/hr is just too high.


There you go, my professional analysis as to why mining in null space should be a lot more profitable than anywhere else:

highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#17 - 2015-03-21 17:47:45 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
I haven't watched the talk on nullsec Sovreignty yet but I doubt CCP would want to have sufficient availability for all the minerals in null, low, high, and WH systems. It would as another pointed out potentially cause stagnation and would go against the risk and conflict driver principles.

I can see why you think they would do that as it would placate the nullsec community but whether it would be good in the long term is doubtful.


Hmm. I watched the replay via Twitch TV of Fozzies talk on Sov changes. Looks like I was wrong and CCP have capitulated . I guess, or hope, they know what they are doing.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-03-21 18:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Mayaki
GankYou wrote:
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
Anybody else getting sick of all the Nullsec buffs?

Why CCP wishes to nerf highsec mining is a mystery to me. I guess those highsec miners isk/hr is just too high.


There you go, my professional analysis as to why mining in null space should be a lot more profitable than anywhere else:

highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec


Who says its not?

Edit: Apart from Gankyou that is.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#19 - 2015-03-21 19:42:08 UTC
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
GankYou wrote:
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
Anybody else getting sick of all the Nullsec buffs?

Why CCP wishes to nerf highsec mining is a mystery to me. I guess those highsec miners isk/hr is just too high.


There you go, my professional analysis as to why mining in null space should be a lot more profitable than anywhere else:

highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec highsec


Who says its not?

Edit: Apart from Gankyou that is.


Compared to other nullsec activities, nullsec mining has been in the pit for years.

You want cheap Zydrine & Megacyte for your Empire needs? I have one thing to say: BUY THEM NOW. Smile
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#20 - 2015-03-22 19:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Steve Ronuken wrote:
to correct the transcript a little, it was CSM Mynnna, (not miners)


Steve Ronuken - of https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk? Big smile Didn't recognise you at first. My hat off to you, as I am sure we will see on many things eye-to-eye. Cool

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The idea is to rebalance the ores available, to adjust where the bottlenecks are.

Right now, nullsec production seriously bottlenecks on the lower end ores (mid end? you know what I mean) Which has people mining the highends for export, over producing, and tanking that market. Which has problems for the values of those ores.


I'd like to see larger changes happen, but those would require a relatively significant time investment, so not soon.


Completely agree. Smile

Have you any thoughts on Lowsec mining? In my travels I've encountered a few mining corporations in Kor-Azor, Khanid regions - they specialise in mid-ends, which in my opinion, is going to be the place to be in the future if one lives in Empire space.

Some shakeup in the form of pirate eviction and increased escort would have to happen to such regions, however. Aridia, Khanid, Genesis and other non-FW regions aren't exactly safe to mine in at the moment. Blink
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