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Drone Target Filter/Priority Settings?

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Darkwind Naskingar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-20 02:47:15 UTC
Hello, I'd like to suggest that CCP adds a filter of sorts for drones (If there isn't one already). As a mission runner I use drones quite a bit, and I'm not completely fond of always trying to get them all on the same ship at the same time. For example: Running a Level 3 mission in a Cyclone with light drones, Me (in the Cyclone) can take out the cruiser class ships without a problem, but missiles don't really work on the frigates, and my drones go after the cruisers first normally. So I was wondering if they could add like a priority setting from drones. So my drones focus on frigates first then go after cruisers. And even to get them all to stay on the same target. I can also see how this could be an issue for some PvPers so maybe have it so you can toggle it on or off, stuff like that. Just an idea, hope someone see it and considers it. thx :)
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2015-03-20 02:59:32 UTC
Try taking manual control of your drones.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-03-20 03:40:12 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Try taking manual control of your drones.



this....put some work into it op.

Like the may make pvp too hard angle though. Not sure if trolling there. I'd think the option to drop sentries that won't waste their time targeting stuff they can't track would be just one more thing to induce more sentry(read Ishtar) rage. Drop/assign them and they think intelligently for themselves....nice trick.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#4 - 2015-03-20 16:57:07 UTC
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And even to get them all to stay on the same target.


There's already a checkbox for "focus fire".
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#5 - 2015-03-20 17:34:18 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Quote:
And even to get them all to stay on the same target.


There's already a checkbox for "focus fire".

In the OP's defense, Focus Fire is notorious for not working properly and I think that could stand some looking into.

I don't support customizable targeting priorities for drones. Putting that much power into drones is just over the top in my opinion.

Having said that, I do feel that existing drone targeting priorities should just be better clarified and, if necessary, made consistent. For example, sometimes, barring orders, drones will default to attacking what is closest to you, while other times it seems that they will default to attacking whatever is closest to them. It'd be nice to know which is the actually preferred behavior.

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White Fang Militia
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#6 - 2015-03-24 10:06:58 UTC
90% of EVE is utility. We are hypothetical solo pilots who control battleships with our brains for cying out loud... there's nothing overpowered about enabling more detailed control for anything.

For one thing, drone priority is almost exclusively a PvE related feature. Mopping up 37 NPC pirates in a certain order is important, but in even a large fleet battle nobody is just cutting drones loose to choose a random target. In PvP pilots have a focused role.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-03-24 10:47:15 UTC
Darkwind Naskingar wrote:
Hello, I'd like to suggest that CCP adds a filter of sorts for drones (If there isn't one already). As a mission runner I use drones quite a bit, and I'm not completely fond of always trying to get them all on the same ship at the same time. For example: Running a Level 3 mission in a Cyclone with light drones, Me (in the Cyclone) can take out the cruiser class ships without a problem, but missiles don't really work on the frigates, and my drones go after the cruisers first normally. So I was wondering if they could add like a priority setting from drones. So my drones focus on frigates first then go after cruisers. And even to get them all to stay on the same target. I can also see how this could be an issue for some PvPers so maybe have it so you can toggle it on or off, stuff like that. Just an idea, hope someone see it and considers it. thx :)


The 'f' key is your friend, select a targeted vessel and hit f for your drones to engage. Split your drones across multiple frigates for faster clean up
Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-24 10:58:41 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Having said that, I do feel that existing drone targeting priorities should just be better clarified and, if necessary, made consistent. For example, sometimes, barring orders, drones will default to attacking what is closest to you, while other times it seems that they will default to attacking whatever is closest to them. It'd be nice to know which is the actually preferred behavior.


I'd also like some clarity on this point.

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Avenger Mercenaries
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#9 - 2015-03-24 13:16:29 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Quote:
And even to get them all to stay on the same target.


There's already a checkbox for "focus fire".


lol and it doesn't work, it for looks and that's it.
ive seen a number of things wrong with drones, more so in pve since that's my field as in most pvp its control given to someone else.

In pve, you cant always take manual control of drones as you must have a target, serpentis and guristas being damps and jammers keep you from targeting and telling them to go after what you want them to

I watch small drones target battleships 50kms and such when you have frigates webbing and scramming 3k away, I had a alt in a mission stuck in a mission for 3 hours unable to kill the frigates, as the drones were told to kill the frigates and they wend 50kms away and attacked a battleship that was not locked, aggressed, or anything else and they refused to go after the frigate.

This agro mechanic is a giant load of BS, but hey players wanted PVE to be like PVP so the NPCs switch targets like a ADHD child on coffee laced with crack (someone confused the sugar?) I was helping a braindead corpmate with a mission last night, deployed drones and lost 3 of them before they could be recalled. I have tried ships with all sorts of EW, scrams, webs, painters, etc and there is nothing to keep agro.

with the 3rd post, NPCs are suppose to go after drones their category rating, IE frigates go after small mid and large, cruisers go mid and large, and battleships go after large, I watched the whole fleet of frigates, cruisers, and battleships murder my hobgoblin IIs, and ofcourse im a liar for this as it never seems to happen to anyone else Evil

with the focus fire, I watch drones split off in different targets unles there is only 1 target remaining.

Drones have always needed work, when I use sentries in my stratios exploring, I don't find no aimed for nowhere near as much as the scout drones.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-03-25 01:59:37 UTC
Set drones to passive and manually tell them which ship to attack. ALL of them will attack that ship and then return and orbit until given a new target to shoot. With this technique "focus fire" and it's inherent problems disappear.

If you want to split your drones simple click on the target and the drone you want and then do a right click menu to tell it to attack.

To maximize their effectiveness drones require a lot of actual attention from the player.





Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2015-03-25 04:10:58 UTC
i agree the 'focus fire' should be made to work.

But beyond that you should learn to manually control your drones or get used to being very inefficient.

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A Big Enough Lever
#12 - 2015-03-25 11:47:56 UTC
I do think that drones should automatically attack:

what is closest to them/you, actively aggressive, and of an appropriate size,

before they move onto size inappropriate,

so lights would start small and work up,
heavies and sentries would start large and work down,
and meds would..... cruiser-BC-desty-BS-frig (?), but don't make this customiseable.....

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