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Small Gang PVP

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Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#1 - 2015-03-05 11:11:12 UTC
I am aware of RvB fleets and Bombers Bar fleets but from what I hear those fleets tend to be very large. I wonder if there is a group that specialise in bring people together for fleets but in limited numbers so that you may have between 4-8 people in a fleet, ie small gang warfare with the same NPSI attitude as the larger fleets.

I ask as my main toon is between corps at the moment, I would like to do micro/small gang pvp but in an NPC corp I currently need to either fly solo or join a large, anyone can join, fleet, or not pvp at all.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#2 - 2015-03-05 12:52:24 UTC
small gang fleets require every pilot to know what they are doing. Just one of you could get the entire fleet killed. Hence giving very bad intel that there is a bubble on the gate. everyone warps then the enemy fleet wrecks you.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#3 - 2015-03-05 13:04:41 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
small gang fleets require every pilot to know what they are doing. Just one of you could get the entire fleet killed. Hence giving very bad intel that there is a bubble on the gate. everyone warps then the enemy fleet wrecks you.


I get that, it goes with the territory, I am not talking 100m plus ships here, I am thinking more fun fleets, t1 cruisers down. When I was in a corp we whelped fleets, it's just fun to go out and pvp and not take it too seriously, but in massive fleets the fun is less (I think) and if your not in a corp then I am unaware of smaller fleets.
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#4 - 2015-03-05 15:23:38 UTC
This sounds like Agony Empire classes, or Center for Advanced Studies public fleets. You might want to contact them.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#5 - 2015-03-05 15:26:14 UTC
Tung Yoggi wrote:
This sounds like Agony Empire classes, or Center for Advanced Studies public fleets. You might want to contact them.


Hi Tung, I was not aware of those, thanks, I'll look into them.
Kane Carnifex
Duty.
Brave Collective
#6 - 2015-03-05 15:56:55 UTC
Massive fleets are impressive by the amounts of people on grid (it may get low FPS, be prepared).
If you do a mistake you properly don't kill the entire Fleet. Also it doesnt require any high skills of piloting as the FC is giving you very clear instructions. In case you are a Interceptor or Interdicotor Pilot you should know the DOs and DONTs :)

10T1 Caracals are fun or go for sniping destroyers also funny, unfortunately i can“t provide any contact which you could easily join a NPSI Fleet. But i know they are out there :P



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Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#7 - 2015-03-05 17:59:40 UTC
Look into the "Taking Solo Back" community. May have to do a bit of googling to find them and their in-game channel but despite what the name says, I do believe that guys within that community will pair up or fly in small gangs from time to time to engage larger blobs. It might be the closest thing to what you're looking for. And as far as I know, most of those guys don't share any official affiliation.

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Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#8 - 2015-03-05 18:45:40 UTC
Stalence wrote:
Look into the "Taking Solo Back" community. May have to do a bit of googling to find them and their in-game channel but despite what the name says, I do believe that guys within that community will pair up or fly in small gangs from time to time to engage larger blobs. It might be the closest thing to what you're looking for. And as far as I know, most of those guys don't share any official affiliation.


Yeah I was in that channel a month or so ago, I may well look it up again. seemed to be a lot of chat about not much inparticular when I was there last.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-03-16 00:55:49 UTC
I would advise to try a high sec merc group. There are some good ones out there and they can be fun.

How are you with the mechanics? If you want to play small team, you have to know the maneuver mechanics.

If you want, contact me. I teach and, if you're good, I'm sure I could hook you up with some good guys in a skilled merc corp.

Search "welcome to pvp, v2" on the forums. It is a mechanics tutorial I wrote a while back. It is the stuff I used to teach when I was training people in CEVL and CRUDO.

I trained a lot of people with better killboards than me.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#10 - 2015-03-16 11:28:01 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I would advise to try a high sec merc group. There are some good ones out there and they can be fun.

How are you with the mechanics? If you want to play small team, you have to know the maneuver mechanics.

If you want, contact me. I teach and, if you're good, I'm sure I could hook you up with some good guys in a skilled merc corp.

Search "welcome to pvp, v2" on the forums. It is a mechanics tutorial I wrote a while back. It is the stuff I used to teach when I was training people in CEVL and CRUDO.

I trained a lot of people with better killboards than me.


Thanks for the post. I'll look that up, I would say that I am a noob when it comes to the mechanics at the moment. So I guess there is a lot to learn.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#11 - 2015-03-16 12:17:40 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I would advise to try a high sec merc group. There are some good ones out there and they can be fun.

How are you with the mechanics? If you want to play small team, you have to know the maneuver mechanics.

If you want, contact me. I teach and, if you're good, I'm sure I could hook you up with some good guys in a skilled merc corp.

Search "welcome to pvp, v2" on the forums. It is a mechanics tutorial I wrote a while back. It is the stuff I used to teach when I was training people in CEVL and CRUDO.

I trained a lot of people with better killboards than me.


I just read that post, excellent writing and it is giving me some incentive now to get more involved. I am currently flying a duel rep breacher with Nova Fury Rockets, which seems to fit in well with your AB fits for close range, higher damage with the Fury Rockets (although I will need to check their explosion radius) compared with frigates in general. So I guess with this fit I am really looking for Armour Fit frigs & Cruisers. I am never sure about engaging destroyers in a frigate as they general eat frigs for breakfast.

Of course another issue potentially is fighting against drone boats. Thanks again though, that info was very very useful.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-03-16 16:47:57 UTC
I would be interested to see your burst build.

I'm always open to discussing maneuver and build... I love rockets but there is a lot to discuss about them that is not in my tutorial.

Catch me in game or send an email.

Keep in my mind that designing your target is the other half of your build. If you don't figure out what a good target would be for your build, there is a good chance you are fighting someone who thinks you are a good target for his build. Victory loves preparation...

If you go the low sec route, keep in mind that the locals have all their ships there. Having 10 ships in system is a huge and largely invisible advantage. They will be undocking scissors as soon as someone sees you brought paper.

Rocket ships have a lot of vulnerabilities that coincide with the most common builds in low sec. If you are taking a rocket ship to low sec, try to think of something it can beat that you are reasonably likely to see. The build can work, but think it through first.


Mo

Samuel Triptee
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#13 - 2015-03-19 19:44:44 UTC
A bit of Gal Mil FW experience to pass along...

I've logged in 10 times the last 2 weeks for a couple hours each night at about 6:00pm est. and there has been at least one fleet of anywhere from 10 to 40 pilots undocked every night. We either roam looking for other small gangs, decide to plex a system (which attracts small gangs), or bash an iHub (which takes about 30 minutes max.). These fleets fly anything from T1 frigs to T2 cruisers, and larger stuff when the iHub needs taken down.

There are many and varied opportunities for small gang activity in FW.

Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?

Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-03-19 22:02:06 UTC
I think 10 is the upper end of "small gang." I didn't have much of a small gang experience in FW.

Above about half a dozen people, individual maneuver skills start to become less significant and FC skill starts to become critical.

I prefer those small fleet interactions because every player gets to learn, make decisions, and do original things. Hitting primary and jumping when told just aren't the pvp experience I'm into.


X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2015-03-19 22:40:48 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
small gang fleets require every pilot to know what they are doing. Just one of you could get the entire fleet killed. Hence giving very bad intel that there is a bubble on the gate. everyone warps then the enemy fleet wrecks you.


I get that, it goes with the territory, I am not talking 100m plus ships here, I am thinking more fun fleets, t1 cruisers down. When I was in a corp we whelped fleets, it's just fun to go out and pvp and not take it too seriously, but in massive fleets the fun is less (I think) and if your not in a corp then I am unaware of smaller fleets.

You can structure small gangs so that they are "fault tolerant" and "degrade gracefully" when fleet members go down or have to warp off.
JetStream Drenard
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#16 - 2015-03-20 01:28:29 UTC
That is a really difficult question to answer. Because their are many corps that primarily do small gang stuff and they advertise very little because that would make them too big. It also depends on what space you want to do it in.

I would check this forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 research some corps, then talk to them directly tell them what you are into and see if they have a place for you.

I will warn you, as others have mentioned, small gangs rely heavily on individual pilot skill so the elite ones will only be open to people with lots of experience and sp. But lots will welcome you with 10m sp in combat skills and a desire to learn and be active.
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#17 - 2015-03-20 12:18:41 UTC
JetStream Drenard wrote:
That is a really difficult question to answer. Because their are many corps that primarily do small gang stuff and they advertise very little because that would make them too big. It also depends on what space you want to do it in.

I would check this forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 research some corps, then talk to them directly tell them what you are into and see if they have a place for you.

I will warn you, as others have mentioned, small gangs rely heavily on individual pilot skill so the elite ones will only be open to people with lots of experience and sp. But lots will welcome you with 10m sp in combat skills and a desire to learn and be active.


Yeah that is the thing, not having the knowledge the people that do small gang don't want to know you, and yet you wont get the knowledge until you do small gang.

I've tried the forums and found it lacking, I am sure people do not actually read what people are after but blanket reply and then you end up potentially in a corp that is nothing like what you want to do. and then leave... rinse repeat.

Going out there solo is OK but it isn't really learning the ropes, more stumbling into them on your own but I guess experience is experience. One option I thought of was to look on zkillboard for the loses of decent (not elistist) small gang corps, copy a couple of their fits and then go try them out, maybe even against that same group. The only thing there being I don't know who the decent small gang corps are.
JetStream Drenard
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#18 - 2015-03-20 14:14:50 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
JetStream Drenard wrote:
That is a really difficult question to answer. Because their are many corps that primarily do small gang stuff and they advertise very little because that would make them too big. It also depends on what space you want to do it in.

I would check this forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 research some corps, then talk to them directly tell them what you are into and see if they have a place for you.

I will warn you, as others have mentioned, small gangs rely heavily on individual pilot skill so the elite ones will only be open to people with lots of experience and sp. But lots will welcome you with 10m sp in combat skills and a desire to learn and be active.


Yeah that is the thing, not having the knowledge the people that do small gang don't want to know you, and yet you wont get the knowledge until you do small gang.

I've tried the forums and found it lacking, I am sure people do not actually read what people are after but blanket reply and then you end up potentially in a corp that is nothing like what you want to do. and then leave... rinse repeat.

Going out there solo is OK but it isn't really learning the ropes, more stumbling into them on your own but I guess experience is experience. One option I thought of was to look on zkillboard for the loses of decent (not elistist) small gang corps, copy a couple of their fits and then go try them out, maybe even against that same group. The only thing there being I don't know who the decent small gang corps are.

Finding a good eve corp is alot like finding a good job. You have to do the footwork, and there are many reasons why you might decide to not stay with the first few you join. No recruiter is going to contact you just because you made this post. It is not like you have to or even should move all your assets until you decide to stay. Your most important questions should be timezone and what they do on a daily/weekly basis and do these things line up with want you want. After you join, is only when you find if it was a good fit for you or not.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2015-03-23 02:46:31 UTC
If you just want NPSI, try the spectre fleets out of amarr. Contact Che'Nedra Borune in game for details. He FCs them at times. He's good and he's about explosions. Cheap ships and good times.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#20 - 2015-03-23 04:28:08 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I am aware of RvB fleets and Bombers Bar fleets but from what I hear those fleets tend to be very large.....


the RvB Ganked roam is usually a rather large affair, but your general RvB shenanigans are usually ~10-20'ish people a side. There are also regular'ish lowsec and 0.0 NPSI roams run by individual RvB members that vary in size, but over ~20 people is rare.

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