Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi all! I haven't posted here for awhile. After all the commotion about the command ship changes and many ideas shot down without any real feedback, I simply ignored this forum. However after much thought I had a quick idea to run by y'all. Now, I've been in wormhole space for the vast majority of the last 6 months. So my ideas are obviously centered around the mechanics of wormhole space, and improving in them.

1) remove local from nullsec. From a RP standpoint concord has no jurisdiction in null space, so why would they have any infrastructure there?

2) remove stations, sites, asteroid belts, planets and their moons from your drop down menu and force them to be discoverable(deep space not NPC null). Any and all system information should be discoverable by you. By using your DScan or scan probes, you should be able to locate these objects general direction and the dsan would allow you to warp to them. The probes would allow you to warp directly to one of its moons, asteroid belts or combat sites. Of course over time information would just get overwhelming and people share, so this goes to my next point. Gates would not be effected as they are constantly broadcasting their locations to one another.

3) add orbits in all the systems. The location of these sites should move. In high, low and null security space concord or another NPC entity has infrastructure there that would keep these locations up to date for capsulers. Now to answer the question of "what about my pos or station in null?!". You have a POS or a station, you have infrastructure. You should be able to find it at all times, this would introduce a new drop down menu when you right click for corporate assets. The person with proper roles would be able to adjust what's visible to who(secret assets), set passwords remotely and ultimately allow for certain or all of the people within your corporation to find those poses or stations. Same for alliances. (Alliance jump bridges on your overview, only visible to your blues, throughout space). And keep those asteroid or ice belts hidden for a decent amount of time before you get hot dropped.

4) add the ability to let players create deadspace sites. Of course imposing limits to how they can create a deadspace to find balance. It gives an extra layer of protection for players

5) increase the size... Of everything, and update physics so that you can't shoot through objects like that. Stations shouldn't be the size of a Titan and spews out hundreds of capital ships. Stations should be massive, majestic peices of technology that really give you a sense of the accomplishment. With scale, this allows for more dynamic tactics on grid. Where your positioning matters a lot more to a point where there is an RTS element added to combat. Star gates should be massive as well. Especially with the addition to letting capitals jump. 30 Titans smushed together looks bad, if they were significantly larger, it would open up a lot more tactical options. Of course very the sizes to create some strategic bottlenecks, but let those bottlenecks be a am downside as well for force projection. Like less capitals can jump throught them at one time, etc etc.

6) scale space, all of the fixes we have going on right now are not really doing the trick. If we have far to many super caps in to little of a space, you either have to remove some super caps or add more space for them. Adding space would be a much better option in my opinion. Keeping a sense of discovery for the players of New Eden.

Now everything I have listed here are mainly defensive and pointed towards creating Eve a bit more real. Which points me to my next set of offensive related ideas.

1) give larger ships a purpose, battelships are simply to slow and cannot apply dps to smaller targets that are much more common this day in age. So why not give them an added benefit to being there? They should scale, their electronic warfare should be stronger, their shields should be able to withstand a decent amount of smaller weapon fire naturally, and they should have a type of point defense system or sorts(even if highly ineffecient due to balance).

2) everything should be immediately destructible. The new player deadspace sites should be able to be disabled due to a larger force and bypassed. Stations should be able to fall within a day and caboom, your assests with it too.

3) increase the stations ability to be defensible. With scale, this should allow for different undocking location opens. If the Enemy fleet is off the the west of the station, your snipers should have the choice to undock at a location to the north of the station where your brawlers should be able to undock to the west towards the group. Stations should also have pretty gnarly guns on them. They have them throughout NPC stations and our POS, why not our stations?

4) you should be able to fly directly to a location on your own within the same system. IE: a minimized warp speed but you can activate this at any time and wherever you stopped, a grid would load (just like safe spots). This would allow for much more sneaky and aggressive tactics to be opened up. The Eve player base is creative, so don't bottleneck them.

Well that's my 2 cents! I hope you like them. If not, tell me why! Fly safe all o7

TL;DR most of it...

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This. This. 1000x times this!



Baseless nay-saying. Scale in EVE is what is "absurd". It has been since I started in 2006. Everything in EVE should be physically real. Ships should have to actually fly in to DOCKING STATIONS where they really, physically, sit. Look at the scale of your ship in Captains Quarters. It's completely wrong compared to the station platform that it hovers over. CCP just doesn't give two ***** about visual scale, and it's an immersion and realism killing mistake.

#EVE2.0

1. The issue is that you can talk in wormholes, nothing stops you from doing that. Hence why I said i doubt that concord is related.

2. Because how are we to dock in a station? It's absurd that you would need to track them down just to dock. Roid belts are mainly for ratters, miners, and gankers. Other anoms like Combat sites should be allowable to go for runners and gankers.

3. That's not the only problem, making things orbit forces the server to track the position of every single celestial body. That's a lot of planets.

4. "You should be able to protect your destructible assets and give yourself a sense of security. "
This is null we're talking about there is no security, people have to rely on themselves and others for that. That mechanic would abused into oblivion, forcing CCP to remove or nerf it heavily.

5. Changing anything in a computer's software can have unexpected bugs. Not only that, making something bigger means a bigger hitbox, and then you have to move stargates that are too close to planets, which then you still need to make sure they function right at their new location. And of course there is the changes to PI because of the larger surface area of planets. I could go on for POSs/POCOs/moon mining but you get the point, you aren't considering the big picture. How ironic. Last thing to consider is that EVE is 10 years old with some legacy code, there are limits to what it can do and how much of a load the server can withstand.

6.Our universe might be infinitely large, but EVE isn't. There are limitations to what CCP can add without breaking the bank and the servers.

7. there already benefits to fielding them. Just because it doesn't suit what you consider "benefits" doesn't mean they aren't there.

8. Still, I must disagree with everything must be destructible. Some solidity is necessary for a foothold to be gained.

9. they are worthwhile because of what they can provide to pilots.

10. needs work in any case

if you spend enough time here, hostility are bound to happen with everyone thing they have the idea of the century, try not to take it so hard.

This is the most made up, bullshit excuse for why an idea is bad. Best one I've heard in a while.

The "hitboxes". Interfering with the planets? The planets aren't even real, I've flown through them. I can't remember if I got to 0km, or just a couple thousand/hundred, but where things currently float, 10s and 100s of thousands of KM away... they could increased in "size" 100 times and be nowhere near each other.

Changing the visual size, or even location, of things wouldn't really change anything.

This is off-topic really, my ideas for what I mean by increasing/fixing the scale of EVE are a little different than OP. That's another thread altogether.

6) scale space, all of the fixes we have going on right now are not really doing the trick. If we have far to many super caps in to little of a space, you either have to remove some super caps or add more space for them. Adding space would be a much better option in my opinion. Keeping a sense of discovery for the players of New Eden.

Now everything I have listed here are mainly defensive and pointed towards creating Eve a bit more real. Which points me to my next set of offensive related ideas.

1) give larger ships a purpose, battelships are simply to slow and cannot apply dps to smaller targets that are much more common this day in age. So why not give them an added benefit to being there? They should scale, their electronic warfare should be stronger, their shields should be able to withstand a decent amount of smaller weapon fire naturally, and they should have a type of point defense system or sorts(even if highly ineffecient due to balance).

2) everything should be immediately destructible. The new player deadspace sites should be able to be disabled due to a larger force and bypassed. Stations should be able to fall within a day and caboom, your assests with it too.

3) increase the stations ability to be defensible. With scale, this should allow for different undocking location opens. If the Enemy fleet is off the the west of the station, your snipers should have the choice to undock at a location to the north of the station where your brawlers should be able to undock to the west towards the group. Stations should also have pretty gnarly guns on them. They have them throughout NPC stations and our POS, why not our stations?

4) you should be able to fly directly to a location on your own within the same system. IE: a minimized warp speed but you can activate this at any time and wherever you stopped, a grid would load (just like safe spots). This would allow for much more sneaky and aggressive tactics to be opened up. The Eve player base is creative, so don't bottleneck them.

Well that's my 2 cents! I hope you like them. If not, tell me why! Fly safe all o7[/quote]

To 1) would be fine with that but only i get also sites where i can make 200 Mio/h
To 2) Seems okay but with time you will hate it we are 0.0 not wh
To 3) What benefize does it bring to the game ?
To 4) Yeah seems balanced so now the game will be flooded with deathspace items.
To 5) Not really needed but would be okay with that.
To 6) What ? Let´s pretend that ccp would introduce more systems --> more supers would be build --> same situation. But 0.0 is most times empty so you would also make more empty space which is not needed

To the defensive:

To 1) Buff would be okay like min dmg for adding any damage at all to the ship.
To 2) No it should not be everything be destructable without any timer. I want more fights if you make everything destructable you have to defend you assets 24/7 every week. And only the big alliances will be strong enough to do this. But the way we entered is that also small alliances would get a chance.
To 3) Yeah if you call that defense.
To 4) No.

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I agree that there should not be local in null. I also spend much of my time in J-space, and now find working in null annoying and dangerous for my style of play. For PvE, the game rewards extreme isolation, and it's a rule of thumb that you just don't do PvE with any nuets in system. For PvP, targets running sites know you're there by simply glancing at local every once in a while, and chances are, they'll just safe up and cloak up if you stay for any length of time, regardless of how crafty you are.

As a result, outside of sov mechanics, fights in null center around gate camps and bubble mechanics. Let's face it, these gate camps are more akin to farming rather than PvP. They have an instant, infallible stream of intel, and are almost impossible to ambush, so they catch everything they can, and avoid roaming gangs by leaving when there's a bigger local spike than they're comfortable with.

As much as I like some of your other ideas (and don't like others), they're not feasible with current software and hardware limitations. If Eve is around for another 10 years, maybe we won't be able to shoot through structures, or other players, which could result in formations to avoid fratricide, and some formation mechanic to support it, like crossing the T at the Battle of Jutland. I think that would be fascinating, but I also understand why fratricide for non AOE weapons can't exist right now.