Science & Industry

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Your problem may well be folks like me who sell ill-begotten goods in bulk at below market prices in order to liquidate inventory*. Folks who don't produce what they sell aren't influenced by material costs.

Other possibilities include folks selling off large, long-held stockpiles, or folks playing the market by buying where minerals are cheap and selling where they aren't.



*Side note: I'm pretty sure I've briefly crashed a few T1 BPO markets that way. Why one corp had a dozen of the same cruiser BPO, fully researched, for multiple cruisers, in the same offline POS is beyond me. But hey, more profit for me.

You can always sell the BPO. Fully researched it should sell (via contract) for more than you paid for it

It just means that someone (in fact, a lot of someones) thinks that minerals he mines are free.

Welcome to the tech 1 market.

Or wants to make them out in nullsec where they can't get easy access to the Jita market but has a glut of locally-mined ores
Or intends to copy and invent to make T2 microwarp drives (which my calcs show makes a small profit)

Don't assume that your intended use is the only possible use

Research, Research, Research...

I have always said PVP'ers are the best manufactures; want to know why? They know what ships are in use at the time; they know what modules are in use at the time...

Your Example

10MN MWD -

Very Very few people use a T1 10mn MWD; most people use a named version which has little cost difference; better fitting requirements, little skill requirements, and is actually better than the t2 variety in many cases..

A good place to start is the thread below yours; IPH; when I was a full time producer; I used that and make billions... Before that I found my niche in the manufacturing world and built t2 comps' while not always the most profitable; over time and with some good contracts you could make billions doing those as well. Its all about research and finding you niche; sadly there is no niche for 10mn mwd's unless you find someone with a 10mn MWD T2 bpo that you can produce for; and even then you will be lucky to find much profit.

Hmm, they're nominally profitable in Amarr. Definitely not worth building though.

Item Isk Per Hour Margin Markup Volume Competitors Profit Factor
10MN Microwarpdrive I 279,816 127,189 45.3 136.7 6 1,072,600.

I think you lost this manufacturers/market PVP battle.

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There isn't much demand for T1 modules in general. There are usually named versions that drop from npc wrecks that are simply better than T1, require no more skills, and often have easier fitting requirements. For most categories, the drops are frequent enough the named modules are cheaper than T1 modules can be made for. I can't even remember the last time I used a T1 module.


It can't really be emphasized enough that the first, most important step to making a profit from industry is to identify items that have a decent profit margin under current market conditions. You simply cannot pick a random blueprint and expect to be able to make a profit producing that item. Many, many eve players have created spreadsheets or other tools to analyze the market and figure profits to identify those items. Personally, I feel doing that work myself amounts to pointlessly reinventing the wheel, and happily use tools made by other players. For years my go-to industry tool has been Zifrian's Eve ISK per hour tool. It's almost insanely complex, and I've never used 80% of the functionality, but it does what I need, and Zifrian updates it religiously every time the industry rules change.