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Divided null sec

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#21 - 2015-03-15 15:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Crusty Waffle wrote:
besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history.

an example?

Goonswarm.

Through espionage, mass recruitment, and a little luck, they beat Band of Brothers, which in early EVE was the alliance that basically ruled all of the nullsec that matters, they then since became the new BoB, ruling over almost all of nullsec.


the thing is, as long as leadership si strong, and players stay organized/active, why should you expect to be able to take space/power from the alliances? if they have more resources than you, more members than you, and better organization than you, what can you do so well that justifies you being handed over SOV?

this is why small powers right now are small, most of them would rather leech and live off existing infrastructure and supply lines maintained by the big empires, so instead of waiting for a weakness to form in a large alliance, and exploiting it to win a war, they become dependent on the alliances and any weakness of the larger alliance becomes a weakness of the smaller, so they never get a chance to overthrow their predecessor.

in other words, its laziness and a lack of strong leadership that has prevented any new groups from forming


GS don't count, back in those days there were still systems unclaimed for 1, and 2 bob fell apart when it was found out they had help from someone inside CCP, who promptly had his powers taken. Followed by they had a guy higher in command take everything and jump ship (as he stated he was tired of BOB's Elitist BS) is what made BOB fall. Up until those moments, it was pretty much a stalemate.

Last I saw while much of null sec is "empty" population wise, all sov is claimed.

Brave got so big between funding and the fast they didn't have a "specification" for characters they were able to compete.

Its near impossible for most of these groups in empire to get big enough with standards & the fact every one wants run a corp for 1 reason or another.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-03-15 15:37:57 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Goonswarm... ruling over almost all of nullsec.


then why do i see goons holding only 2 regions http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png
yes, 3 if you include renters...
its the east where most of the null is, there are more regions and bigger...

they are politically in charge of a coalition they organize and centrally govern that has influence covering half the map, dont pretend that coalitions dont exist, because they do, yes the rule is precarious because pissing off subordinates is an instant loss of 2-3 regions a piece, but they havent lost rule yet, and until they due, they "own" half the map
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-03-15 18:29:41 UTC
Because we don't want it all. The logistical difficulties of holding just a few regions of space is already a giant pain in the ass. Multiply that by "All of nullsec" and it simply gets stupid.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-03-18 00:19:01 UTC
For one..

JUMP FATIGUE

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Blink
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#25 - 2015-03-18 00:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Goonswarm... ruling over almost all of nullsec.


then why do i see goons holding only 2 regions http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png
yes, 3 if you include renters...
its the east where most of the null is, there are more regions and bigger...

they are politically in charge of a coalition they organize and centrally govern that has influence covering half the map, dont pretend that coalitions dont exist, because they do, yes the rule is precarious because pissing off subordinates is an instant loss of 2-3 regions a piece, but they havent lost rule yet, and until they due, they "own" half the map

Coalition Influence Map:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coalitioninfluence.png
Jenshae Chiroptera
#26 - 2015-03-18 00:57:32 UTC
Crusty Waffle wrote:
besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history.
I know of three small alliances who have grabbed some SOV but I don't want to draw attention to them.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-03-18 01:14:44 UTC
June is going to be weird, isn't it?
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2015-03-18 01:35:34 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Crusty Waffle wrote:
besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history.
I know of three small alliances who have grabbed some SOV but I don't want to draw attention to them.


Squish.

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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#29 - 2015-03-18 01:46:24 UTC
The table is full of food, pull up a seat and eat!

If your lazy you will always live in mom's basement and eat cheeto's


You get me? You want to be SOV holder go and get it. If not, do something else, why I love EVE for 11 years now!
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-03-18 01:47:56 UTC
I say come the Sov changes, we should get in our rifters and take back what is ours brother!

We should take Null for the Winmatar! Then they will be the slaves and we will be the masters. Pirate
Jenshae Chiroptera
#31 - 2015-03-18 02:12:03 UTC
Vigilant wrote:
The table is full of food, pull up a seat and eat!
If your lazy you will always live in mom's basement and eat cheeto's
You get me? You want to be SOV holder go and get it. If not, do something else, why I love EVE for 11 years now!
Unless they make some changes to their plan it won't be difficult to get SOV.
Loads of it might become freely available when whole coalitions move into Low Sec and NPC Null Sec and control moons from there.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#32 - 2015-03-18 10:06:47 UTC
Crusty Waffle wrote:
I'm just wondering how come unlike many other online games with areas of control, how come one alliance does not rule all of null sec? Is it by chance that it has been split into sections or is there something balancing it out? Too much space to control?


It's basically because people in other online games with areas of control suck. The good players are all here in Eve.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2015-03-18 11:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
War Kitten wrote:
Crusty Waffle wrote:
I'm just wondering how come unlike many other online games with areas of control, how come one alliance does not rule all of null sec? Is it by chance that it has been split into sections or is there something balancing it out? Too much space to control?


It's basically because people in other online games with areas of control suck. The good players are all here in Eve.

I assume you mean one coalition.

Vince Draken the leader of a coalition that exists to destroy us, would love to take over all of nullsec (or at least destroy us, which might be easier or harder depending on how you look at it). Thus it's fairly obvious that he can'tis about to with this seventh or such invasion attempt to end our 0.0 nightmare.


CFC is happy with what it has. A bit more is ok perhaps, but nothing like "all of nullsec".

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2015-03-18 11:57:27 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Crusty Waffle wrote:
besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history.
I know of three small alliances who have grabbed some SOV but I don't want to draw attention to them.


Squish.

Hmm, Fweddit?

Is this somewhere in a corner of Cobalt Edge or at the back of Dronelands or some horrible spot?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-03-18 12:06:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Crusty Waffle wrote:
I'm just wondering how come unlike many other online games with areas of control, how come one alliance does not rule all of null sec? Is it by chance that it has been split into sections or is there something balancing it out? Too much space to control?


It's basically because people in other online games with areas of control suck. The good players are all here in Eve.

I assume you mean one coalition.

Vince Draken the leader of a coalition that exists to destroy us, would love to take over all of nullsec (or at least destroy us, which might be easier or harder depending on how you look at it). Thus it's fairly obvious that he can'tis about to with this seventh or such invasion attempt to end our 0.0 nightmare.


CFC is happy with what it has. A bit more is ok perhaps, but nothing like "all of nullsec".

Screw all that noise, especially with jump fatigue now.

These days, BoB's old Operation Clockwork would be more appropriately titled Operation Make Every Player In Your Alliance Quit Eve Forever After Three Months.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-03-18 12:16:30 UTC
Crusty Waffle wrote:
I'm just wondering how come unlike many other online games with areas of control, how come one alliance does not rule all of null sec? Is it by chance that it has been split into sections or is there something balancing it out? Too much space to control?

Didn't you think that all these 'independent alliances' could be ruled by alts of one person? Blink

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#37 - 2015-03-18 13:07:26 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
OH man. It's so cool, in a chicken-sh*t kinda way. The TWO BIG ALLIANCES HAVE A TREATY! Shhhh...."we" don't want just anybody to know this. (People may start thinking "player-generated content" = rigging the game!)

I KNOW, RIGHT?!


They essentially agreed not to attack each other. This was to "secure revenue." That's a fancy way of saying, "If I'm fighting to defend what I have, it costs money, and while I'm fighting I can't make money. So, let's just not fight." So, this mythological EVE where PVP reigns supreme and carebears suck? Well. Shhhh....don't tell anybody.
(The two HUGEST PVP outfits agreed to carebear with each other!)

I KNOW, RIGHT?!


They're the huge stagnant glob on the map. ONE of these alliances is now attacking a very small alliance in what is known as the more undesirable, and profitless section of null sec - because they're bored and want some "gudfights"! (They must be tired of monopolizing the one ore most needed to build advanced items in this "economy"!)

I KNOW, RIGHT?!


*Wonders silently to herself who in this pixelated world would possibly not support the SoV change this summer...*


the blocs attack each other, just not a massive war to gain sov, they are free to attack each others pilots.
The division of the 2 blocs is ideals and such, if they did unite, they would only have to worry about people from empire trying to gain space which is pretty much how it is now.
having been in null in a renter corp and defending someone elses space everyday and not seeing any combat aswell as not being able to do any activities I want, I left and only observe the ******** politics of people that think they have real power in a galaxy that doesn't exist.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

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