Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good Afternoon,

I just wanted to start a discussion slightly different than those on the topic of High-Sec bumping.

I feel bumping should be a legitimate tactic for EVE and has the potential to be a good conflict driver.

However I would argue it must be changed from it's current form.

Right now, if somebody is piloting a freighter in high sec, you can bump them infinitely so long as you land the first bump. You can have the target trapped in that location, no matter how much they try to escape. You cannot even log off your character as the safe warp mechanic requires a proper align to operate.


The issue here is not that it can be done, but rather the lack of COUNTERPLAY.

As it stands, there is nothing you can do about it. Calling friends, has a negligible effect because CONCORD still protects the bumper from any hostile actions. In fact, the bumper will generally be equipped in such a way that they have maximum mass for the best impact possible, which also makes them rather difficult to kill before CONCORD murders your group.

Different pilot tactics still do not work, including finding multiple warp points (using friends) to give you a location that better suites your alignment after being bumped. The freighter is too slow to align and gives the bumper plenty of time to set you off course again.

Counterplay is badly needed in this area. A way that allows for this tactic to work, but allows for a reasonable defense.

jump freighter only works 1 way

and asking for people to hire scouts/escorts just kills the profession, since the only way to make money with freighters as it is is accepting extremely low contracts, or hauling billions upon billions in modules yourself (in which case your ganked anyways because no freighter should haul that much)

and do not even SAY alts, alts should NEVER be mentioned in a "balance" discussion, nothing should be designed assuming youll use more than 1 accounts yourself

what your basically saying is if put my car in the center of the road and keep driving back and forth so you cant go around me, its your fault for not paying your buddy to go and check to see if i was in the road ahead of you

Correct me if I'm wrong...

But even if your ships can't align and warp out after you log.... don't you magically disappear after a few mins with no LE timer?

Tracking the number of bumps each ship receives would kill the servers, pointing that out now.
And if you wanted to add a mechanism that allowed the freighter a chance to escape there are less sever intensive and exploitable way to go about it than a magic gravity gun that bouncing everyone 100km apart as well.

Example:
Player trying to initiate warp reaching ~200km off gate (or the 250km grid edge) will be locked by new gate module which grants a similar bonus similar to the undock where you cannot be bumped, however are still able to be fired upon. This now gives the attacking fleet a timer, they must now kill it before it slows down and obtains a proper align or they will miss their target.

It does not kill the bumping tactic to avoid warp disruption aggression, but adds an upper bound to how long/far they can do it, and forces them to stay on grid with gate guns as intended.

Theres also no counter play when 20 enyos land at zero on my retriever when i try to mine in null. And there is no counter play to getting my bowhead through a bubble camp. CCP please fix this as well.

You have no right to get to jita and sell your goods. You chose to take the risk of traveling through gank systems rather than selling at a closer market. you chose not to use a scout or an alt webber.

The idea is to not get caught in the first place, and there is plenty of counter play for that.

No I watched a freighter bumped for over an hour in Jita, the pilot has long been logged off thinking the same thing. I have a copy of her empty freighter killmail on my note pad.

Scouts don't work as the bumpers are usually and alt and range from things like stabbers to machs, shoot im no ganker or bumper but I have rammed a few freighters out of boredom in my Vindicator.

the only counter to it is to have someone else bump you elsewhere towards a warp point, I did that in jita and saved a freighter......then the freighter warped right back to station and started getting bumped again.

Ive watched a freighter get bumped warp in an osprey fleet to shield rep him against the gankers, the gankers killed the osprey, and after their global cool downs, gank the freighter.

For some stupid reason CCP says bumping someone for 1-2+ hrs its ligit game play, you tell another player about the physics of them fapping in their pod and you have a GM contacting you for being reported.

CCP need to start with ligit day 0 characters with the perception that they know nothing of their own game, no powers, no super ships and play their own game and see whats its like.

Insta warp using dual webs. REALLY hard to land a bump before you warp off. Also fly triple bulkheads and don't overload. If you blow up with more than a few billion no one will have any sympathy.

As to the criticism of having a scout, if you don't have friends, have alts, they've more reliable, more trustworthy, and you don't have to pay them!

That may have been your intention, but the reality is that you've brought nothing different to the table. You have, however, managed to post horribly inaccurate comments, such as:



Might I suggest you go forth and acquire knowledge of a subject before starting a redundant thread where you highlight your ignorance?

Or if moving smaller batches of cargo, invest in a transport ship. I find both the Crane and Viator work quite well at allowing me to move stuff past CODE without them ever having a hope in Hell of catching me.

Well you can use the contacts. On an alt character I use for hauling I set all of CODE red. If I see a neutral bumping people in Uedama while flying through in my crane I set him red.

As for scouting, you already know which ship types to look for, macherials, navy omens and so forth. In a pinch I've docked up my hauling alt and then in a pod or noob ship jump into Uedama and have a look at the in-gate. Heck I've done this on the two adjacent systems as well. Yes, its tedious and annoying...but welcome to Eve.