Ships & Modules

Which of these ships has the highest engagement profile.

Which is better and why?

I'm really confused what ship to train to invest my time into training, at the moment, I'm training for a Pilgrim, because I do not have to train for Gallente Cruiser V and I do not have to train any gunnery skills.
If I was to train for a Stratios, Id have to train up Gallente Cruiser V and all the Relevant Laser gunnery skills.
Pilgrim seems alot easier to train for.
Is the extra time training for a Stratios worth it?

[Pilgrim, Pilgrim Solo]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Scrambler II
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


37k EHP
Cap stable
351 DPS unheated.
432 m/s unheated.
Has neut capability
Little cheaper and alot easier to train for.
Has ability to fit a covert ops cyno, to call in friends.

Definitely Stratios! I would fit it a little differently, but your fitting is ok.

If you rely on friends of course Pilgrim for Covert Cyno ...

somehting like this:

[Stratios, Stratios]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

DRONES

You loose some dps from the Guns, but the Neuting power you gain can speed up the kill after some time, especially if you kill ratters with active tank ;)

Stratios is very good. But also more expensive. Remember if you train for the pilgrim. You can also fly the curse. And can't be detected on dscan.

[Curse, Curse]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Hobgoblin II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5

same dps
nearly 200m/s more speed
8.7k more omni EHP, though I would fit a T2 extender Rig to be honest.
More initial Neuting Power after the first seconds of the fight.
More Neuting Power for 8min24s overall (2xMed + 2x Small)
Cap stable with 1x Med + 2x Small, as soon as you expect enemies cap to be down, where Small keeps the overall Cap better to zero than 3 Mediums do.

There really isn't a reason to use a curse over a Pilgrim for solo work since the neut range change. Pilgrim works in both shield as armour variant depending on targets and tactics (armour brawler or shield kiter), Curse's Dscan immunity has its uses but is very niche and generally can be duplicated by uncloaking early as you or your target warps on grid.

Stratios is more powerful but having those ranged neuts combined with difference in cloaking timers and, of course, being half the cost I personally favour the Pilgrim.

Shield Pilgrim is just as fast as a shield Curse and while more neut range is always better 25km is generally enough for actual solo work.

- edit -

Not saying that the Pilgrim better or always on par, just saying that for true solo (no scouts, links and whatever) a cloak is generally more useful now that the Pilgrim has "enough" range on its neuts.

It's also enough for a ceptor or garmur to keep you pointed, enough for a navy omen to dps you, should you decide not to fit TDs, enough for that orthrus to point you without having to worry much about manual piloting, not enough to put that second cycle on that courageous tackling frig who decided to burn away after deciding that tackling you around 20k was not a good idea, etc. etc.

Shield pilgrim looks alright, (albeit slightly slower than a curse) but you will find yourself trying to decide whether you want an injector or a TD, or go for a weird-funky cap stable fit. Pilgrim is superior if you want to armor fit, or are more into sneaky stuff.

All these assumptions made me think whether you actually have any experience in the domain you're giving out advice, or if you are talking right from eft to eve forums.

Edit too then: You'll probably have a wider range of targets you can engage with a curse, rather than a pilgrim. You might end up staying cloaked in situations where you would have fought like a man with a curse.

Well... yes, given that it's a Pilgrim.