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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3741 - 2015-03-14 22:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Charadrass
dave fromheadoffice wrote:


Except, we're all playing a game, we're not employee's, they are the game masters, they don't have to justify reasons for banning someone, if you were on say a counterstrike server for instance an administration could ban you and wouldn't have to justify the reason


Even worse, we are paying them to work FOR us. and they are declining our requests to answer questions atm.
Edith says: since when do counterstrike Servers costs you Money if youre playing on public and getting banned?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3742 - 2015-03-15 01:53:00 UTC
dave fromheadoffice wrote:
Except, we're all playing a game, we're not employee's, they are the game masters, they don't have to justify reasons for banning someone, if you were on say a counterstrike server for instance an administration could ban you and wouldn't have to justify the reason


For one thing, I don't pay to play on his CS server.
But alright, let's work with the "customer" analogy, even though I really do hate it after working 3 years in retail.

I'm a customer of a company. They offer a membership with clearly outlined rules and regulations as well as incentives that can be earned if you go to company activities (picnics, paintball games, kayak races, etc). There are no penalties if you sign up your friends and families, indeed you are given rewards for signing them up and playing with them. You can alternatively spend incentives to penalize or set back others, much in the same way as The Amazing Race. I make sure I follow all their rules and regulations to the letter, I pay my dues, and the company generally acts in a logical manner. They write up long explanations explaining the reasoning behind their actions, and (used to) listen to players when they talked about changes to the rules and regulations. Now, all of a sudden, they make an irrational and illogical change after a select few individuals complain that I play with my friends and family too much, or that I am able to choose the right people to penalize.

Not the best comparison, I'll admit, but it was the only thing I could think of in such a short time.
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3743 - 2015-03-15 12:04:44 UTC
Yeah. Pretty sure that I'm paying for a service; as such, a company ~SHOULD~ be able to answer my "customers" questions [or the ones other "customers" asked]. Ignoring said customers is going to be a thing of the past if CCP wants long-term survivability.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3744 - 2015-03-15 12:09:06 UTC
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
Yeah. Pretty sure that I'm paying for a service; as such, a company ~SHOULD~ be able to answer my "customers" questions [or the ones other "customers" asked]. Ignoring said customers is going to be a thing of the past if CCP wants long-term survivability.


CCPs Long lone walk towards star citizen and elite dangerous compatibility.
i cant explain it otherwise why they are trying to achieve those changes.
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3745 - 2015-03-15 12:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aru Kacbis Danvill
@ Chara; if CCP is indeed walking towards their playstyles, they'll fail miserably. Not only will they no longer be unique, they'll fail at being better at the same playstyle. Just look at how dust turned out.... or... ;)


https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10464337_859485150763725_6091259123966592495_n.png?oh=26acbdd8d959bf0da6699dc53904b19c&oe=5579F6AE

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3746 - 2015-03-15 16:23:36 UTC
Universum like No Man's Sky.
Elite Dangerous for PvP.
Microtransactions like in StarCitizen.

CCP must be really desperate.

Plus i am pretty sure that they don't care about their old memberbase. they think they can fill up with new Players instead of keeping the old ones. that is why all those changes are around the Corner.
Marsha Mallow
#3747 - 2015-03-15 17:25:49 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
But alright, let's work with the "customer" analogy, even though I really do hate it after working 3 years in retail.

Customer analogy in practice.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3748 - 2015-03-15 17:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
But alright, let's work with the "customer" analogy, even though I really do hate it after working 3 years in retail.

Customer analogy in practice.

Like I said, it wasn't the best comparison. However, that comic strikes me as odd for multiple reasons.
1) As far as we can tell, the only reason he's being booted is for drinking too much, if such a thing can be possible. He hasn't damaged property, or caused other people to leave, as far as we can tell.
2) Bars make money on people who drink alcohol.
3) If a bar has a reputation for tossing out anyone for anything, they will indeed go out of business.
4) For repeat customers, or "regulars" of an establishment, arbitrary rule changes may cause them to leave, or at the very least, reduce their consumption / shopping at aforementioned establishment.

If I know a customer, and know that he stops by every day for a coffee and a pack of smokes at 9:30 AM, and he's a nice fellow, I'm going to try to have fresh coffee in the pot and his smokes on the counter ready to be rung up when he walks in the door.
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3749 - 2015-03-15 18:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Aru Kacbis Danvill
Nolak, We're talking about how business was done pre-21st century, it isnt CCP's fault da bidness place is just scammin and schemein to "cash cow" it up. Except instead of having the coffee ready and a pack on the table, its the societal norm to change out the good coffee for the offbrand grit, and the fav pack to a overpriced cigar.

/sarc because most people can't identify /sarc


This situation about reminds me of the news of Ferguson MI, USA; 80% of the population has active arrest warrants. [16k out of 21k, roughly] Soo.... about the same logic here right?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3750 - 2015-03-15 22:38:01 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

The Rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Marsha Mallow
#3751 - 2015-03-15 22:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Nolak Ataru wrote:
The irony if you telling me to put more effort is simply astounding. Please come back when you have something to say on the ISBoxer issue that isn't a fallacy or a Kafkatrap.

If you missed everything in that image it's possible you are immune to irony. Although it's very much a British phrase.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Having said that I didn't write a 2740 word 'essay' justifying botting on an MMO as a spotty virginal teen, spaz out on 7 forums, utter phrases like 'kafkaesque falllacy' and join Goonswarm - because at the time I was too busy misbehaving IRL. Starting to wonder if I've missed out on some real debauchery here.

I noticed there's a spot [21st March 16.00] at the HairBearConvention dedicated to RMT, Botting... and you

Are any of you planning to attend? Will you be dressing up - and if so, what as?

*squints at Ezwal*

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3752 - 2015-03-15 23:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.
I joined Goonswarm because I wanted to try my hand at FCing fleets in nullsec and helping new players who wanted to PVP, not to constantly insult players on the forums using the intelligence a five year old had outgrown.
And finally, my studies keep me away from the convention so you may rest easy knowing I won't be there. Studying aside, I have not the money to travel to Iceland on a whim because I used that money for my latest Lamborghini. /sarcasm

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3753 - 2015-03-16 09:34:34 UTC
Anyone got valid counter-arguement without throwing around insults? I'm all for civilized discussion.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#3754 - 2015-03-16 09:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

The Rules:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.


Edit:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Are any of you planning to attend? Will you be dressing up - and if so, what as?
Yes. And as always I will be dressed as my usual. Which is probably considered by most as deviating from the general norm slightly.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Bobbyd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3755 - 2015-03-16 10:49:56 UTC


well written, can the devs and other players read this and understand what ISBoxer is and does, not a hack/ mod or automation just a tool that makes eve fun,



Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3756 - 2015-03-16 18:02:55 UTC
Ezwal; Instead of moderating this thread into oblivion, why not, i donno, call CCP and tell them to talk to its customers?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3757 - 2015-03-17 09:38:05 UTC
then he might loses his "job"...
funny huh? he doesnt even get paid and is "working"
ccp is getting paid and i dont see them working.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#3758 - 2015-03-17 11:23:58 UTC
Keep up the good work CCP.

Please continue to ban all the people who feel they have a right to cheat when playing a computer game, whether they use Isboxer or any other means to do so. Kick them out of the game for good.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3759 - 2015-03-17 12:30:42 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Keep up the good work CCP. Please continue to ban all the people who feel they have a right to cheat when playing a computer game, whether they use Isboxer or any other means to do so. Kick them out of the game for good.

Quote:
ISboxer = cheating

[Citation Needed]
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#3760 - 2015-03-17 12:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Archibald Thistlewaite III
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Keep up the good work CCP. Please continue to ban all the people who feel they have a right to cheat when playing a computer game, whether they use Isboxer or any other means to do so. Kick them out of the game for good.

Nolak Ataru wrote:
ISboxer = cheating

[Citation Needed]



Isboxer does not equal cheating if you think that then you have no clue as to what Isboxer actually is.

Can Isboxer be used to cheat? Yes it can and its those people who need banning. The same should also apply to all people who cheat no matter what they use to accomplish said cheating.

I mentioned Isboxer by name as this thread is about multiboxing and input automation and Isboxer happens to be the most well known program that can be used for that purpose.

Yes it can also be used without the cheating aspects so you are wrong Isboxer does not equal cheating.

So, once again good job CCP ban all the cheats and make Eve a better place.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'