EVE New Citizens Q&A

(no grammar, punc as Im on the crapper)
:)

Just last night a retriever came into our low sec pockets, we landed on him and he began to drop our main recruiters name, who said to come here, there-to our system. we saw no application and proceded to destroy, as we do anyone mining our rocks. we scrammed his pod, i didnt, but there was talk about podding him too(not worth the sec loss on a noob pilot it was concluded) just then we got the application to join. we let him be and I threw him 10m for his troubles.

you had some bad luck with corps, im afraid.
small gangs to learn pvp if thats your thing.

this is now my 3rd corp in 3 yrs.
first was hgh sec carebear with day one vets trying to add spice to their bitter vet life.
it went well for awhile, but personal life issues had me leave the game. they taught me plenty. the high sec war games do stink, however.
the second was a null... in a large alliance.
no love or support there.
this gang currently is pretty tight.
and im learning lots of pvp.

good luck!

there it is really,

"give me a reason not to bother"

"well we need to see some effort"

"BAAAGH, tiz a vets game , good day to you all !"

Re: Brave Newbies Inc.

They are a Reddit based community: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies
See the sidebar there for other BRAVE corps. It also tells you how to apply.

There also is the generic EVE reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve

I'm very glad I never listened to any such 'advice', I'd not have lasted the whopping ~9 months I've spent, so far, in EVE.

The learning curve in this game is steep. By and large, EVE truly hates new players. However, there is hope. Find yourself a decent corp to join and you'll be earning your way onto shiny killmails in no time flat. Any corp that tells you to 'catch up' is not a good corp. A good corp will help you out. A good corp will have members who are prepared to help teach you the manual ship skills you'll need. A good corp will make sure you're never without a T1 frigate to bring along on corp Ops or Roams.

Sadly, finding a good corp can be something of a lottery.

Send me a mail, and lets talk. I won't invite you to my corp, but I know plenty of people that are looking for players that are in positions similar to yours. I am very disillusioned with larger corporations after my two stints with E-Uni, and one with brave alliance.

I came back to this post regretful of the fact that I'd posted the conclusion I drew from Black Drake's post and not the underlying reasoning. Regretful solely because it would read like 'Black Drake sent me away" when she didn't. Even though I'm just one new player, I still felt morally compelled to address it.

I originally spent an hour responding and trying to explain the tension between new players and vets from a new player's perspective, fleshing out how, for all the people who had camped me based solely on my account age (I asked) in .7 space during off-peak hours when it was just me and them in system, I hadn't met the nice players who wanted to share their love of the game with me. I've honestly been stalked by people whose calculations weren't based on my ship, but what skills I could have fairly trained in the amount of time I had been in the game. You can rationalize and put it in real world terms (e.g. exploiting the naive/inexperienced), but when I combined those experiences, the role of new players as fodder, AND Black Drake's comment that the best I could do is, essentially, continue training and learning (e.g. become a vet), led me to the conclusion that this is a game for vets. And from this I concluded that if I was 'underwhelmed' as a newbie, that it would be foolish to pour additional time into it hoping for a different outcome when I have so little invested from the outset. This isn't a financial investment. Playing a game with the hope that I will enjoy it at some point, or will have the opportunity to become the ganker, doesn't make sense to me. That's the perspective of a new player looking forward and not a vet reflecting on or justifying the investments already made (sunk cost trap).

In my longer post, I kept butting up against the perceived imbalance and questioned what vets could do to retain more new players. That is precisely when I stopped, wrote the shorter post, and ended there. The environment is what it is. At two weeks in, I can take it or leave it, but it's not my job to come in and tell older players what they could do to retain newer players (like me) or speak to greater schemes. For all I know, the game is better is off without players like myself. There was a lot of humility and self-reflection in that longer post, but, when I reached my conclusion, there was no point in drawing it out further. I didn't come here looking to be convinced either way.

I WILL offer one piece of advice generally: Playing alone as a new player can make this a MUCH more serious game. Another poster commented that vets take this seriously? New players will take it seriously, too, especially if they tether assert accumulation and retention to their long-term happiness (which I imagine is what makes ganking so fun). I was in a different position, somewhat. I came into this game after hearing about that Bandwiddth(?) betrayal and hearing the recording. I walked into this very much wanting to be the guy who would be 'giddy' over that catastrophic loss of resources. And if I were on vent/TS/mumble with people who were all being ganked, instead of just rolling my eyes, I might perceive it all differently. You never know. Being the new player being ganked by someone, then having them want to chat and friendly is REALLY disconcerting. It forces a LOT of consideration about how people consider this game. Ganking and griefing that might be born of real animosity in other games, is just a passing amusement here with no ill will intended.

The reason I'm responding to your post in particular, despite a decision to discontinue, is I want to ask you to take it easier on new players. You accused me of self-fulfilling prophecy and confirmation-seeking, and I kindly submit that you did the same to me ("look who didn't take this seriously from the start. They/we were right all along.") It's not that I was looking to have my suspicions confirmed. I simply reached a conclusion through my response, and mistakenly attributed it to Black Drake instead of the thoughts her post inspired. You don't have to agree with my conclusion, you're certainly free to conclude that I don't 'get it', but don't write us off so easily.

Anywho, thanks for all the feedback, folks. I hope this post cures the other one. Maybe I'll come back in a few months and try this again. Maybe I'll come back through in a few months and give this another try.

II

I think your problem may be being to open, Im new, I never asked for a handout, asked plenty of questions, I have never been ganked once yet(although I lost quite a few ships to jumping up in missions/learning), I talk, meet people, but I dont actively pursue people keep your head down while being social. I havent had a remotely close experience to you. Meet people in chat rooms and not open space/close proximity either. Dont join any corp to, talk to people, people will gladly guide you until you meet minimum requirements even, and let you have access to corporate channels without being a member.

LoL. That is the opposite of what Black Drake said! You didnt come here looking for advise. You came to say you are right, and the entire EvE community is wrong.

What exactly is a "game for vets"?

Every game is for vets as you put it. You're new, you're not good. No problem. With practice, you get better. EVE's learning curve and depth are (in)famously huge. That's part of the appeal.

Name me a game "for newbies". I'm genuinely curious.

Careful, there. I'm not assuming that Eve is a PVE game. Truth be told, I take it to the opposite extreme. I think of Eve as PVP game that is supported by PVE and economic elements. Everything that is not PVP exists to support PVP. As relevant to what you've quoted (a passing consideration supporting a larger point), I was merely opining that the casual nature of both griefing and ganking COULD be disconcerting, and even seem a little schizo to a new player because a player will gank them in highsec, get summarily smoked by Concord, then start a convo. In my experience, those conversations were ALWAYS pleasant. And therein lay my single assumption -- that all such conversations are pleasant. Maybe they're fishing to see if their victim would blow a gasket? I have no idea. But in my case, being ganked for lulz and approached for a friendly convo, while anticlimactic (I like my jerks to be villainous), was otherwise pleasant. I was simply musing that your average newbie might require some acclimation. Well, there's two assumptions. Anyway, what you've quoted was a minor point.

Well, friends, I'm going to leave it here. Thanks for all of the feedback. Best wishes and safe flying.

II