Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you clearly knew it was burn jita, you clearly didn't heed the warning signs and prepare accordingly. When you have a POS/POCO you know what kind of investment you are making, the warning signs that'll come, so you prepare with stron.

Ok

I will take the information I learned here today and use it to find a way to make reinforce timers work for me.

Thank you all for your time.

So every 0.0 alliance will go to the next low sec system and 0.0 will be empty. Sounds like a good idea.

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It looks like CCP likes the reinforcement mechanic, the entosis module is just a damageless reinforcing fight generator, with a fixed time not conveniently changed by adjusting stront levels at the last moment. Current pos reinforcement mechanic working as intended, providing a toehold with a Guaranteed minimum lifetime.

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Exactly, there is a lot of PvP content via these timers.

Not sure if serious or just a detrimentally stupid maneuver.

A Proposal to make removing RF Timers possible:

Tell me if anyone likes the sound of this gameplay...

- Remove reinforcement completely

- Increase POS HP exponentially... so that it takes, let's say 20 dreads, at least 72 hours (of constant DPS) to kill a MEDIUM tower, just through HP grinding, large Towers even LONGER (yes, hear me out)

- Repairing/Recharging POS armor/shields would take even longer (correct? 20 triage carriers rep less dps than 20 dreads can apply, yes? if not, increase Dread DPS so that Dreads do a bit more DPS than equal number of RR carriers can rep)

- OPEN up EVE space... i.e. make POSs anchorable anywhere in a moon's gravity well. Warp to a moon, fly an inty at max speed in any direction (as long as you stay within X km of moon), make a bookmark, and allow corp to anchor a POS anywhere around moon. Fly to the other side of the moon if you want! (opposite of "default" grid, where everyone lands when they warp to a moon)

- Make warping into the shields impossible, ships arriving at the POS must warp to a landing location outside shields, and fly in. Ships can still warp out from inside POS shields.

- Make everything inside POS shields invisible to D-scan and probes. Modules anchored outside shields (guns, e-war, bridges, etc, can be scanned down IF online. Not sure about current POS mechanics, but make it so that guns can be anchored outside shields, ready to go, but left offline. and make it so the guns can be turned ON from the Tower control panel, without having to fly to each gun) POSs become "secret" bases if KEPT secret. POS could only be found if:
a. guns/bridges/cyno jams are online and enemy probes them down
b. enemy gets spy in corp/pays a traitor for intel
c. enemy waits in system and probes down a ship as it lands at "landing spot" or while it's outside shields using bridges, etc. (so now in order to keep your corp starbases a secret, you can't go warping to them with enemy probers watching)

So NOW:

If a corp/alliance wants to destroy an enemy POS, it becomes a multiple day/week long campaign. First you have to find it... easy enough if the enemy is careless or not hiding their POS (i.e. guns online all the time, bridge POS, etc).

Then you have to just go and attack it, no more RF mode, just huge HP that takes DAYS to grind down even with a fleet of Dreads. So this means you go shoot at it for as long as you can/want to, then when everyone has to go, you retreat and come back again the next day to continue, and so on. POS shields do not recharge on their own***, you must repair/recharge with triage carriers (subcap logi would barely make a dent)

The defender therefore has DAYS to get ready and go defend. They can try to actively repel the attackers by going and beating them on grid to push them away, or if they are outnumbered/out classed, they will only be able to try to repair when the enemy leaves. Since repairing takes even longer than grinding down, the defenders would have to Rep for even more hours than the attackers shot, making active defense critical, and post-attack repairing only a delay.

Not invincible at all. Just makes the battles for them last days/weeks.

Right now, you go shoot at a POS, and it becomes *literally* invincible for a set time, and then you leave. Everyone can see when invincibility will end (dumb), leading to people planning to go back and shoot it or come to defend it at that time.

Without RF timers, attackers would need to go and sit at that POS for hours a day, grinding it down. Sounds boring sure... BUT, sitting there for hours a day means hours a day that someone might come fight you.

Now, there's a TON of holes in this idea, that I just can't come up with solutions for yet. It would definitely be ridiculous to implement without some other major changes. I'm just trying to think of SOME way to have EVE without "invincibility" timers. I'd like a sandbox where anyone can shoot anything at any time.

*looks at Reina's idea*
*stares at it with a deadpan expression*

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This effectively "locks out" smaller alliances from having a reasonable chance of tearing down a POS. Very few groups would be able to, much less willing to, take down a POS with more HP than a SOV structure (a medium POS would need about 55 BILLION hitpoints to stand up against 20 Moros for 72 hours)!!!!

Also bear in mind that a Drednoughts' Siege Mode requires strontium. And stront takes up a large amount of volume in a cargohold. For a 72 hour siege you would need 2+ million units of stront... or 6+ million cubic meters... or ~6 freighter loads worth.

The only people who could conceivably take out a POS with enough HP to tank 20 Moros for 72 hours would be 0.0 alliances... and only if they dedicated their entire war effort towards a SINGLE target... billions upon billions of ISK worth in ships, fuel and ammo... all to take out a "stick" that costs less than a few hundred million to buy and maintain per month.

That is not reasonable in any way shape or form. Hell... requiring 6 hours of non-stop bashing with 20 dreds to take down a POS would still be unreasonable.

Timers are unfortunately the only thing able to give some semblance of "reasonable play."


"What are resistances, Alex, for 200?"

POSs can anchor and use shield resistance mods. Set up properly, you can negate 50%+ of the incoming damage the same way a ship can (which can' be neuted out).

This does not hold true for remote repairs. They give RAW hitpoints to what they are repairing. Resistances are not factored in.

This is part of the reason why logistics ships (and slowcat/pantheon carriers) are quite awesome and can keep ships many times their size alive despite the massive amounts of damage being applied against it.
Did you know that 20 carriers in an RR setup can repair ~18k hp every second? With even 50% resistances factored in, that is 32k hp/sec. And it scales well.

And you can't simply increase dred dps with a snap of the fingers because that will affect other things in the game.



This part of the idea I am more apathetic against. But there are some issues...

- legacy code: CCP is working on this. But until they get it done (see: replace it entirely), don't hold your breath for any real changes regarding POSs.
- why? All I see with this is people spamming POSs everywhere... crap always being on scan... there will be tons of grids a system has to load... most of them will be neglected (but can't be removed before of the aforementioned "godly" HP).


Already possible. Just plant a Warp Disruption Bubble at the angle you suspect the targets will come from. Alternatively... "raepcage" the thing (see: have a Blockade Runner filled with bubbles plant them all around the POS).

The isn't possible in low-sec or high-sec... but even with your idea it would be trivial to just make a bookmark right at the edge of the POS shields and "float in."


Pro-tip: don't suggest changes to things you don't understand. The bit that I underlined above pretty much shows that you have no experience or knowledge regarding POSs.

Any offensive mods for a POS (guns, ECM, warp disruptors, energy neuts, missiles, etc) already must be placed outside of the POS shields. And unless you have capital and/or logistic support, they are VERY nasty to take down.
Keeping them anchored pretty much means they won't do anything... and they can still be shot up to the point where they are incapacitated.

Also, "no" to not being able to probe down a POS. It is similar in concept to an old idea where a ship, mod, structure creates an AoE cloaking field to hide fleets in.
It was rejected by the community as being "too overpowered."



Also...strictly my opinion... structure grinding is probably one of the WORST aspects of EVE in general (then, now, and in the future).
Right now...
it's boring.
it requires large amounts of time to do.
it requires a large investment and commitment of resources and gear.
it's mindnumbingly boring.

Your idea just amps up all those things to the max. I hate timers too... but they are FAR better than what you have just proposed.
Remember... this IS still a game.
People should have the ability to log off and plan for an engagement that may happen in 72 hours rather than be "locked" into a meatgrinder situation for 72 hours.

Why?

Seriously, please make an argument against it. The hours of grind? Is that what makes it horrible in your mind?