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Orthrus for lvl3/4

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#1 - 2015-03-15 18:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Hello,

After deciding myself to come back to do missions in highsec for a while, I saw right before buying a new Gila that the Orthrus was a the same price, and since I'm more fond of missiles than drones and just finished 2 days ago my HAM skills to V, I gave it a try and bought it.

There's just something that I can't figure out about it on Pyfa (EFT alike) :

I am better with blitzing L3 for LP or should I go with bling to do level 4 instead ?

I used the Gila for L4, but it was a kiting ship with a passive shield fitting (2 LSE, 3 core purger and 1 shield power relay) fitted with rapid light.

This is the fit I managed to build for now :
[Orthrus, PVE test]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Field II <= changed relating to rats faction
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


with my skills I have 632 missile DPS and 90.7 drones DPS, all lvl 5 give 696 and 99.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-15 20:14:36 UTC
Whereas a gila is 700+ dps and it will actually apply to small ships.....

Orthrus for pve: just no.
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#3 - 2015-03-15 20:20:32 UTC
I have 582 dps for drones and 175 with rapid lights on a Gila right now, but I'm more annoyed by the fact that drones got often attacked by elite frigates, just a pain to make them come back and go out again IMO. I agree that for efficiency I could be better anyway with a Rattlesnake for not much more. But I like trying silly stuff, like a Cerberus with polarized HAM, even if that didn't go very well (aka Boom) Roll

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#4 - 2015-03-15 21:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Woopsie, forget about trying with heavy missiles, a all level 5 skills would have 540 DPS at best (3 BCS, HM II and scourge fury with 1 loading bay accelerator II).

I'll stick with HAM, I edited the first post.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-15 21:22:21 UTC
Just remember that fury/rage will not apply to anything smaller than a cruiser and you'll find that hitting elite frigates with them a royal pain and losing 10 seconds on reloading precisions isn't really efficient either.

With gila drones, they should have roughly the same ehp of a well tanked frigate, never managed to lose one to a few frigates before.

If you're super worried about the drones, just get some navy ones as they have almost double the hp of regular tech 2s
Ci'Fera
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-03-16 07:00:31 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Whereas a gila is 700+ dps and it will actually apply to small ships.....

Orthrus for pve: just no.


You know, It could be simply for the fun of it? My orthrus has no issues with small ships in missions.
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#7 - 2015-03-16 10:36:31 UTC
Ci'Fera wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Whereas a gila is 700+ dps and it will actually apply to small ships.....

Orthrus for pve: just no.


You know, It could be simply for the fun of it? My orthrus has no issues with small ships in missions.


This, I know how efficient can be a Gila for L4 or ratting, I talked about it because of the same price and nearly same skills set, but I really want to try L3 and maybe L4 with the Orthrus.

Before this I was in a Cerberus, but I just can't like the hull :s and the fact that it can only deploy 3 light drones is a meh. I'll try tonight with two Rigor II and see how it works.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-03-16 18:26:00 UTC
This thread makes my Orthrus sad. Cry

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#9 - 2015-03-16 19:04:05 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
This thread makes my Orthrus sad. Cry


No kiting fit or no Scrambler ? :P

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-03-16 19:14:55 UTC
Ci'Fera wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Whereas a gila is 700+ dps and it will actually apply to small ships.....

Orthrus for pve: just no.


You know, It could be simply for the fun of it? My orthrus has no issues with small ships in missions.


I never found the fun in being purposefully inefficient in pve. In pvp however, flying something like a battle heron is funny when it gets kills. people keep talking about pve gilas and all I can think is "Medium drones :vomit:"

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2015-03-16 19:32:26 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Ci'Fera wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Whereas a gila is 700+ dps and it will actually apply to small ships.....

Orthrus for pve: just no.


You know, It could be simply for the fun of it? My orthrus has no issues with small ships in missions.


I never found the fun in being purposefully inefficient in pve. In pvp however, flying something like a battle heron is funny when it gets kills. people keep talking about pve gilas and all I can think is "Medium drones :vomit:"



Gilas plain rock, and it's because of it's medium 'super drones'. The only thing that keeps the Gila from surpassing the Ishtar as my medium sized pve ship of choice is the Ishtars way overpowered bonuses.

Medium Drones don't need much help hitting small npcs and watching 2 medium drones chew up an npc battleship liek it's nothing is fun too. In cases where you have to warp off quick (outside of high sec) leaving behind 2 medium drones is a lot more paletable than leaving behind 5 heavies or sentries.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-03-16 19:52:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gilas plain rock, and it's because of it's medium 'super drones'. The only thing that keeps the Gila from surpassing the Ishtar as my medium sized pve ship of choice is the Ishtars way overpowered bonuses.

Medium Drones don't need much help hitting small npcs and watching 2 medium drones chew up an npc battleship liek it's nothing is fun too. In cases where you have to warp off quick (outside of high sec) leaving behind 2 medium drones is a lot more paletable than leaving behind 5 heavies or sentries.

This.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2015-03-18 16:20:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gilas plain rock, and it's because of it's medium 'super drones'. The only thing that keeps the Gila from surpassing the Ishtar as my medium sized pve ship of choice is the Ishtars way overpowered bonuses.

Medium Drones don't need much help hitting small npcs and watching 2 medium drones chew up an npc battleship liek it's nothing is fun too. In cases where you have to warp off quick (outside of high sec) leaving behind 2 medium drones is a lot more paletable than leaving behind 5 heavies or sentries.


gilas rock, immediately followed with ishtar preferred P

and I can totally agree with the (outside of high sec) part, I just tend to think in highsec terms when people are talking about missions unless they specify otherwise.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#14 - 2015-03-18 18:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
So, after a couple of L3 missions, including the angel extravagansa, I really like this ship, the 832 m/s and excellent agility is neat, and most of the times elites frigates get 1 to 3 salves to take down. It's so fast to wreck things that most of the times I don't get my drones out ( I blitz missions), and the fact that the bonus to damage is for every kind of missiles makes me do full dps to every kind of NPC.

The only thing that I needed to adjust was to remove the shield power relay and purger rig, and put instead a EM-screen and a Damage control II, the passive regen doesn't seem to do sh** on this ship.

Side note : the new launcher background has some Orthrus and frying pa- hum Baarghest on it :D

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2015-03-18 22:23:09 UTC
You may find that you get a lot more mileage with the Barghest in L4s. Ascendancy implants with two of the Prototype Hyperspatial Accelerator modules will get you to 4.0 AU/s. This leaves you the ability to run rigors in your rigs and a Faction target painter in addition to a nice tank.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.