Warfare & Tactics

I wasn't saying Caldari was winning the ISK war vs Gallente I was saying that on efficiency as shown on eve-kill is very skewed.. They seem to "only" count ship kills in their figure while right there in their own stats Caldari is well over 100% on ISK efficiency.

I only compared Gallente & Caldari together to show the Caldari has a much higher Kill to ISK ratio than Gallente. Meaning it cost Caldari less ISK to get a kill or we are giving more valuable stuff than we are losing. The point being IMO that is efficient on the ISk which for what ever reason KB's seem to not take into consideration.

Not to mention that it's pretty easy to see that Caldari gets a mis-represented kill efficiency stat due to the large number of mission farmers that we can't do anything about. Remove all those mission farmers from FW and their losses that we get stuck with and you see over 100% efficiency on Caldari KB stats..

ie.. the stats don't show the picture which is the point I was making.




Because FW involves out side forces as well. It's not just a straight up 100% piece of the kill pie between Gallente & Caldari. There is Amarr, Minmatar, pies, neutrals and even NPCs..

haha add in NPCs to the stats and Caldari would probably have 20% due to all the mission bears.. that add nothing to FW but KM fodder for Gallente. No one wants to run Gallentre missions so they don't have to deal with the same issues we do in that regard. I'd gladly kill the ISK farming tards myself if it wouldn't trash my standings.

Although I do remember a certian Gallente BS gang getting welped by incursion rats on a gate several months back..

My piont! It would be nice to see what the actual score is?

Just so I know where we starting

have I mentioned how bad these forums are?

In before the manditory Damar response to anything Chatgris posts with his "wall-o-text" of seething hatred with posted links of his pew pew awesomeness where he single handedly beat back entire Gallente and Minmatar blobs solo while killing faction BS and cruisers with one shot ... while he was oustide.... in the snow ..... naked ....... petting his pet reindeer "Muffy".....

Damar is mad we took back Dal, clearly.

and here was me thinking plexing was your sole reason for living

My shorted thoughts on how this method works from experience.. Starts off in Gal intel channel with.. "He's got me tackled" HALP!!! 30 seconds later gall pilots are jumping in system from every gate trying to get 2% of a KM.

In case of Gal pilots being too far away to "HALP" it typically is.. tackled guy jumps out of gate or docks to safely when possible, then mysteriously undocks or jumps back in trying to look like helpless little pony blinking eyes as if he hasn't already stalled for enough time to ensure proper gank by 20 guys 1 system over, expecting you to then take bait and smacking if you have half a brain and don't accept a 1v1 offer.

Ive engaged you several times with 2 and 3-1 odds against and been ECMed to all hell every time. Dont even try and go there. In fact i think every hookbill that flys has 2 Minnie jammers and every Caracal has 3... am I not correct?

Must be annoying to you that I kill people, whether or not it's crappy Amarr NPC's on my side or quality Matar NPC's against me. Perhaps you should ask your corpies for those anger management guides they like to spam my evemail box with and see if they help.

I thought I might go back to the beggining of the thread and see if maybe we might get back on track( futile, I Know).



So , after 6 pages, where do we stand?

OP sees internal divisions and strife. He says the masses wont accept a single leader and they wont accept advice.-I agree.

Pulgy thinks they are simply bored and left

Zeerover seems to concur, citing the lack of quality opponents and a "mutual respect" that developed that, I guess, it's implied that made them uninclined to fight against those who remained in Gal militia- My own opinion is that Wolfsbrigade leadership had their own agenda, their own war goals, they achieved them, and left.

Mutnin says no leadership, internal strife, and spies are the problem

Damars' opinion is.... I'm not sure what Damar's opinion is. He can speak for himself, although that doesn't seem to clarify his stance.Near as I can gather he seems to be saying the Gals offer boring fights,so people got bored and left, beyond that, he loathes Gallente and has no respect for them ,less than anything on earth, with the exception of Cal militia which he seems to loathe more and respect less.

Bad Messenger has a different perspectivet.He sees a lack of strong leadership, ,and the ability to develop leaders as inhibited by several factors. He says a lack of goals is the primary reason. He says petty jealousy assures aspiring leaders are marginalized,and unclear goals assure no competent leader wants the job.
He goes on to say their fleet fits are Ill adapted to the changes that could, and should, be anticipated during a battle, and furthermore, it takes an unreasonably long time to train a group of qualified pilots, and that with no clear goals, noone is inclined to undertake the task, as the question remains "what is the motivation, if we have no goals".To my mind Bad Messenger is closest to the mark.

Shaalira says Caldari dont generate enough actionable intel.I agree, and will add that when they do, they are unable to mass and engage in a timely manner.

Scrutt makes the point Cal milita doesn't task their fleet setups properly for the expected fight, and cites lack of pilot training, and lack of direction as a reason, and also makes some points as to part of this problem being the result of where Caldari Pilots are drawn from.He questions the commitment of the Caldari,says if they were serious they would do what was needed to bring a proper fleet.

I agree, but will say a good commander makes a good assesment of his available means, makes adjustments, and then comes up with an achievable mission.
This can be done with simply said group of scrub pilots alone, or, as an element of a larger fleet.A creative commander can and will find uses for the unwashed masses of poorly fitted caracals, drakes and merlins.I did.MCB did. We also had a hard core of highly qualified pilots,in corps, accountable to leadership,and, in conjunction with general militia were able to achieve our goals.

Amadeus cites poor FCs and monolithic fleet fits.

Stalking Mantis cites lack of doctrine, lack of discipline, and weak FCs who cannot manage their personell properly.
Overall, he cites lack of commitment, and inability of part time warriors to run and win a war.Loved the movie clip by the way.Hits the nail on the head.

Mjolnir Gost takes the opposite view, saying we simply need more men, and anyone who says otherwise is butthurt from Diaper rash.I disagree.Perhaps, sir, had you and yours not attempted to slap diapers on grown men they would not have developed said rash.

I have spent many a day running around in a 25 man gangs lead by Andraz, or Gavin, or even myself, and torn up enemy fleet after fleet, all larger than ourselves.They had battleships. We didn't. they had logistics. We didn't.Kills vs losses were typically 2.5-1

Training, cohesion, doctrine, mobility, intel, leadership, the ability to dictate the tempo of the engagement, the ability to dictate the terms of the engagement, the ability to mass quickly from disparate points, the ability to seize and maintain the initiative and the ability to get inside the enemies decision cycle were the keys to victory.

it is clear several points are salient

1) Unclear goals

2) Lack of leadersdhip

3) Inability to develop capable leadership

4) Lack of actionable intel

5) Inability to react swiftly enough to exploit actionable intel when it is recieved

6) Inability to properly fit fleets

7) lack of properly trained pilots

8) Lack of Commitment on the part of Caldari , resulting in all of the above.

Clausewitz said, all wars are won by destroying the enemies will to fight.It is clear the will to fight on the part of the state is at a low ebb.

For my part I have been inactive of late out of sheer disgust.

I have played for 5 years , and have hardly if ever posted before the last 2 months.I do not post because I wish to, but because I am compelled to.Despite myself, and my better judgement, I can no longer stay silent.

My will to fight remains.I'm not going anywhere.

Whatever damage is done by me speaking ( and I have always tried to maintain at least amicable relationships with all parties in militia), it can't be any worse than what we have now.

This issue of leadeship,This ulcerated festering pistule, needs to be lanced.

Start with a small group of like minded players, and build from there. You don't need the entire militia on your side, you need those who are on your side to be on the same page.

Or, you need to get Andraz on your side. That guy is a maniac FC.