Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why is it that a siphon unit cannot be stored in a secure anchored container or a mobile depot?

Cannot put planck container inside another plank container... this is just stupid.

On one hand, you give a tool for a small guy to mess with big empires. great.
On the other hand, you make it so that the small guy cannot set up a temporary siphon base to store spare siphons.

The problem is that setting up infrastructure for an organized siphon campaign and actual emptying of siphon units requires 2 different ship classes. And the inability of me to haul stuff over in a crane, jettison it, and come back in a cruiser, is seriously annoying.

I cant jettison siphons, i cant store them in a mobile depot, and pretty much cant do anything with them unless i have a POS, which is a no-no in sov space as they get killed real quick.

Here is the reality. Siphons take up a lot of cargo room. They work well paired with huge secure anchorable containers nearby for storage room. And you need spare siphons too. Moving all this equipment requires a lot of cargo room. More than a cruiser can take. Think cov ops hauler like crane.

But once I get my crane to desto, I can drop the anchorable containers, I can drop a mobile depot, but i cannot drop the siphons! I can only keep them in cargo, which means I cannot switch to a cruiser after i am done setting up infrastructure. And frankly stealing in sov space, especially populated sov space, in a crane is dangerous. Preferred ship for actual stealing is an agile cruiser, preferably nullified, so it can move around.

But to use the cruiser I have to painstakinly haul a few siphons at a time through long wormhole chains in a cruiser, and i have no replacements once initial siphons get killed. This serves no purpose. i cant even trade siphons between a hauler alt and a pick-up alt. i am FORCED into setting up a POS - which, surprise, surprise, takes 25,000 m3 of cargo with the damn fuel, costs 150mil, and more often then not gets killed.

Enable jettisoning and storing of siphons in temporary non-POS structures. Huge containers can be stored while assembled. Not a huge design change.

Some other problems with siphons:

1) they are visible on D-scan for all the renters and farmers in the system. Great thanks. All the POS lord has to do is command his renters to enable these things on their overviews, and he doesnt even have to check the POS himself. They are too easy to detect.

2) reduce scan rez on small pulse turrets. even an agile crane gets hit fairly often by the POS while emptying the siphons. Right now emptying them is a mouse-clicking race against time. You have roughly 8 seconds after deckloak to approach siphon, open cargo window, loot it, align to bookmark, and warp off. This is mouse-clicking bullcrap.

You want people to siphon, make it less annoying. Emptying process is a mouse-click fest; setting up the infrastructure is a pain the ass, especially for regional campaigns, they get spotted too easily, even via API i hear, and the profit is **** anyways, and the icing is that they cant even be stored in a temp location.

I do it for novelty factor, but honestly, mashing C6 sleepers in my blap dread is a lot less stressful, and a lot more isk, then this stuff.

oh yeah? i can store unassembled container in a contaner.

in any case this is a computer game, if they want to ,they can make it any way they want.

You didint read my post.

I do not want to be locked into a transport ship to use them. i also do not want to be locked into using a POS.

Its an unnecessary limitation on the gameplay sandbox. There is no reason why i should not be able to jettison a siphon and pick it up in a different ship. There is no great balance reason whatsoever. And eve philosophy is, as much open sandbox as possible. if there is no reason to restrict something, dont restrict it.

some would say that concord is unnecessary limitation on hisec pvp... siphons are to harass, not to make a full-time-mining-operation, you can place a mining pos instead
its online game and those favor cooperation not single player actions, you will never be able to do everything (like have small, agile, nullified ship, with unlimited cargohold and have a full-time-income from siphoninh not owned moons)

if you want to be able to place more siphons, make more friends, so you all can drop siphons (yes, in prowlers...)

Who says Im alone? Maybe, just maybe, I need to make a delivery of fresh siphons to people allready in place across the region.

But problem is, I cant give them the damn siphons. So instead of a single hauler delivering replacements to a drop point, everyone needs to go out and haul their own stuff, which is a huge pain in the ass.

Siphons are terrible anyway. API siphon-dunking-spells have not be nerfed yet.

Lost 3 within the hour, with the owner showing up literally 20mins after the first cycle.

Arguably you can look for specific POSs where you can be sure the anti-siphon-magic isn't up, but then thats like wishing your next holiday will be spent in Hawaii.

eh. i dont know. i will try. its a good idea.

but had bad experience with DST, hauling 60k m3 of stolen dysprosium out and a random roaming low-sec sabre lands on gate. followed by ishtars. just random cross-jump. fate. lost nearly 2.5 bn of product right there. i try to avoid DSTs since then...

Speaking of technology, siphon units are made from a highly advanced material similar to what is used on aircraft fuel bladder cells back on ancient earth. Able to expand and contract when filled and emptied and can be neatly folded and stored for safe space transport.

The DST can cloak MWD maneuver if you overheat the MWD. No reason to die if frigs don't decloak you.

I read your post.

I disagree.

A Blockade Runner is absolutely the best option, and imo the only option. You do not need nor should you use a strat cruiser for siphon ops. The cargo space is not good enough.

Have you considered exactly how you will scoop the goo from an active siphon? Hint: It won't be with a Tengu.

Your complain about not being able to move the siphons to a GSC or other container is valid. Its pretty silly that I can haul >100 siphons in my BR, but unless I have 50 POSes on which to drop them, they are stuck there until deployed, making it impossible to scoop the stolen goo.

Honestly though, I've only ever siphoned about a dozen towers simultaneously. The stolen goo takes up so much cargo space that more is impractical.

My advice, get the BR, find a 6-12 POSes to siphon, go to town. But you will need someplace to store your stolen goo unless you like making daily trips in and out of hostile space.