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T3 destroyers should be more expensive

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Anny Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-15 20:10:29 UTC
Well, they are way too OP for 40kk. But for 100-120 kk they would be just the next tier ships comparing to assault frigates and destroyers. I think CCP should look into the problem.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-15 20:12:55 UTC
pricing has nothing to do with CCP, if the ship itself is too overpowered (sentry ishtars) then they will rebalance.

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Odethia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-03-15 20:18:36 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
pricing has nothing to do with CCP, if the ship itself is too overpowered (sentry ishtars) then they will rebalance.


In a couple years.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#4 - 2015-03-15 20:39:25 UTC
Pricing is not a valid balance method

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#5 - 2015-03-15 21:12:18 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#6 - 2015-03-15 21:24:02 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.


The rise in the prices of battleships is not connected to their demand, nor the balance of powers currently in Eve.

An Armageddon now costs 180 mil ISK.

Welcome to Cruisers/Ishtars Online. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#7 - 2015-03-15 21:39:37 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.


The rise in the prices of battleships is not connected to their demand, nor the balance of powers currently in Eve.

An Armageddon now costs 180 mil ISK.

Welcome to Cruisers/Ishtars Online. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ


Missing the point, people choose their ships based on performance and cost. Given how powerful T3D are they are too cheap to use and lose. So either nerf them (this would be the preferred action) or change production cost so they're way more expensive.
Anny Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-03-15 22:26:20 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.


The rise in the prices of battleships is not connected to their demand, nor the balance of powers currently in Eve.

An Armageddon now costs 180 mil ISK.

Welcome to Cruisers/Ishtars Online. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ


Missing the point, people choose their ships based on performance and cost. Given how powerful T3D are they are too cheap to use and lose. So either nerf them (this would be the preferred action) or change production cost so they're way more expensive.


Exactly. And I don't wanna them being nerfed, so they will have to become more expensive.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2015-03-15 22:40:46 UTC
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Orlacc
#10 - 2015-03-16 00:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Anny Jackson wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.


The rise in the prices of battleships is not connected to their demand, nor the balance of powers currently in Eve.

An Armageddon now costs 180 mil ISK.

Welcome to Cruisers/Ishtars Online. ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ


Missing the point, people choose their ships based on performance and cost. Given how powerful T3D are they are too cheap to use and lose. So either nerf them (this would be the preferred action) or change production cost so they're way more expensive.


Exactly. And I don't wanna them being nerfed, so they will have to become more expensive.


Meh I give up.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#11 - 2015-03-16 00:29:59 UTC
Anny Jackson wrote:
Well, they are way too OP for 40kk. But for 100-120 kk they would be just the next tier ships comparing to assault frigates and destroyers. I think CCP should look into the problem.

Would it necessarily make any difference? No. The simplest (and quickest) solution would be to limit them to medium FW complexes. In any event, it's unlikely we'd see any rebalance until the Caldari and Gallante T3 Destroyers are released and they finish rebalancing the T3 Cruisers.

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Valkin Mordirc
#12 - 2015-03-16 01:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.



I've said this before, but If I sell an Ibis for 500bil that Ibis does not become better than a titan.


Maybe the new T3 dessies are OP


However saying that price is an indication of balance, is not true.

If price WAS an indication of balance and the new T3 Dessies are OP. You would the price of them skyrocketing as demand increases for newest OP ship.


I'm open to a counter statement but that's how I see it. May be wrong. *shrugs*


Also listing brand new ships that are getting a **** ton of kills also can not be used as evidence to the new ships being OP is because, well, they are new, people will want to use them even though they may not be as good as they are be perceived to be

Edit: But T3D's should NOT be let into small plexes.
#DeleteTheWeak
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-03-16 16:12:15 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.


I have enough money to crap out faction/deadspace fit T3 destroyers for the rest of my life. I'm not even remotely unusual in this regard.
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#14 - 2015-03-17 02:27:15 UTC
Clearly ships are balanced based on price. A deimos is better than a thorax in every way except that the deimos has higher material requirements, thus making it cost more.

It was intentional that the t3 dessies cost roughly as much as dictors. CCP knew what sleeper loot went for, and made the material requirements such that they cost that much. I think they are much too strong given their price. It would be simple to double material requirements and make them cost twice as much, where they should cost.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#15 - 2015-03-17 03:08:40 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
Clearly ships are balanced based on price. A deimos is better than a thorax in every way except that the deimos has higher material requirements, thus making it cost more.

It was intentional that the t3 dessies cost roughly as much as dictors. CCP knew what sleeper loot went for, and made the material requirements such that they cost that much. I think they are much too strong given their price. It would be simple to double material requirements and make them cost twice as much, where they should cost.

Please biomass and stop trying to make me poor

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#16 - 2015-03-17 03:26:23 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
Clearly ships are balanced based on price. A deimos is better than a thorax in every way except that the deimos has higher material requirements, thus making it cost more.

It was intentional that the t3 dessies cost roughly as much as dictors. CCP knew what sleeper loot went for, and made the material requirements such that they cost that much. I think they are much too strong given their price. It would be simple to double material requirements and make them cost twice as much, where they should cost.

Please biomass and stop trying to make me poor


No now we make the jihad against the t3 dessy

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#17 - 2015-03-17 07:56:38 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Pricing is not a valid balance method


A nice meme people keep spouting but its a lie.


I have enough money to crap out faction/deadspace fit T3 destroyers for the rest of my life. I'm not even remotely unusual in this regard.


Your anecdotal "evidence" does not invalidate the basic logic that price is a factor.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#18 - 2015-03-17 08:02:19 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
No now we make the jihad against the t3 dessy


I'm starting to question's Fozzie's capability and/or willingness to create a balanced playing field. The Mordu's shipline, bubble immunity for Inties, super soft nerf for the Ishtar (clearly not enough), and now the T3D.

How could any sane person create these T3D and go "yup, looks balanced to me, that's not at all going to completely ruin the landscape". It makes no sense. These T3D need to be made AND more expensive AND need to be nerfed.
Valkin Mordirc
#19 - 2015-03-17 08:16:12 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
No now we make the jihad against the t3 dessy


I'm starting to question's Fozzie's capability and/or willingness to create a balanced playing field. The Mordu's shipline, bubble immunity for Inties, super soft nerf for the Ishtar (clearly not enough), and now the T3D.

How could any sane person create these T3D and go "yup, looks balanced to me, that's not at all going to completely ruin the landscape". It makes no sense. These T3D need to be made AND more expensive AND need to be nerfed.



Job Security? =P
#DeleteTheWeak
Dave Stark
#20 - 2015-03-17 09:54:53 UTC
price should only be a factor in balancing if you want to turn eve in to pay to win, which is the very reason why price isn't nor ever should be a factor in ship balance.
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