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Retriever ore hold recommendation
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Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#1 - 2015-03-15 16:34:10 UTC
it currently sits at 25k m3. When mining ice it is a pain to get your ore hold to 24 and have to make a choice to leave 1 block short or run 1 ice miner for the cycle to fill the ore hold.

recommendation:

Reduce ore hold to 24k m3 or increase to 26k m3.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-15 17:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Velaira Kavees wrote:
it currently sits at 25k m3. When mining ice it is a pain to get your ore hold to 24 and have to make a choice to leave 1 block short or run 1 ice miner for the cycle to fill the ore hold.

recommendation:

Reduce ore hold to 24k m3 or increase to 26k m3.


Jetcan one block and let both lasers finish to fill your hold, if solo mining without an mtu save the can location as a warp to point to quickly warp back to your previous mining spot.
Iain Cariaba
#3 - 2015-03-15 17:22:49 UTC
So, because you use it for ice mining means everyone uses it for ice mining, and it needs to be changed just to suit your whims? Sorry, but no. I could counter propose that, because I pull 1480m3/cycle with strip miners that it should either be reduced to 23,680m3 (16 cycles) or increased to 25,160m3 (17 cycles) so I don't have to choose to run one miner or waste ore. Make the choice between running the 1 beam or going back light.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2015-03-15 18:01:30 UTC
if you are fine with just having 24km3 hold then just fill it t 24km3 and let everyone else who uses it use the full 25


problem solved

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#5 - 2015-03-15 18:29:18 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Velaira Kavees wrote:
it currently sits at 25k m3. When mining ice it is a pain to get your ore hold to 24 and have to make a choice to leave 1 block short or run 1 ice miner for the cycle to fill the ore hold.

recommendation:

Reduce ore hold to 24k m3 or increase to 26k m3.


Jetcan one block and let both lasers finish to fill your hold, if solo mining without an mtu save the can location as a warp to point to quickly warp back to your previous mining spot.



I see how that works. I think I shall use this method
Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#6 - 2015-03-15 18:30:05 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
if you are fine with just having 24km3 hold then just fill it t 24km3 and let everyone else who uses it use the full 25


problem solved



This is what i have been doing Big smile
Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#7 - 2015-03-15 18:33:45 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
So, because you use it for ice mining means everyone uses it for ice mining, and it needs to be changed just to suit your whims? Sorry, but no. I could counter propose that, because I pull 1480m3/cycle with strip miners that it should either be reduced to 23,680m3 (16 cycles) or increased to 25,160m3 (17 cycles) so I don't have to choose to run one miner or waste ore. Make the choice between running the 1 beam or going back light.


No just because I use it for ice mining does not mean everyone uses it for ice mining.
I did not demand it needs to be changed, I just posted a recommendation.
Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2015-03-15 18:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Velaira Kavees wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
So, because you use it for ice mining means everyone uses it for ice mining, and it needs to be changed just to suit your whims? Sorry, but no. I could counter propose that, because I pull 1480m3/cycle with strip miners that it should either be reduced to 23,680m3 (16 cycles) or increased to 25,160m3 (17 cycles) so I don't have to choose to run one miner or waste ore. Make the choice between running the 1 beam or going back light.


No just because I use it for ice mining does not mean everyone uses it for ice mining.
I did not demand it needs to be changed, I just posted a recommendation.

Yet your recommendation only takes your usage into consideration. It's a matter of balance, and you cannot obtain a balance by making it work for just one thing.
Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#9 - 2015-03-15 18:52:46 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Velaira Kavees wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
So, because you use it for ice mining means everyone uses it for ice mining, and it needs to be changed just to suit your whims? Sorry, but no. I could counter propose that, because I pull 1480m3/cycle with strip miners that it should either be reduced to 23,680m3 (16 cycles) or increased to 25,160m3 (17 cycles) so I don't have to choose to run one miner or waste ore. Make the choice between running the 1 beam or going back light.


No just because I use it for ice mining does not mean everyone uses it for ice mining.
I did not demand it needs to be changed, I just posted a recommendation.

Yet your recommendation only takes your usage into consideration. It's a matter of balance, and you cannot obtain a balance by making it work for just one thing.


Yes I made a recommendation based on my personal play experience. I do not know how everyone else enjoys their game time. Balanced or not I am entitled to my recommendation/opinion/idea and I do not think it is possible to balance every aspect of the game.

So with my limited knowledge of EVE I will slightly adjust my idea to moving the ore hold capacity to 26k. This will allow the Ice miners to pull an even number of ice for their time in the ice belt and it will allow the ore miners the ability to carry a little more ore for their time.
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2015-03-15 19:18:12 UTC
Why does it need changed? There are other barges and exhumers you can use, some of which have ore holds that will hold ice like you want. Limiting yourself to one hull does not mean a change needs to be made.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2015-03-15 19:25:21 UTC
Velaira Kavees wrote:

So with my limited knowledge of EVE I will slightly adjust my idea to moving the ore hold capacity to 26k. This will allow the Ice miners to pull an even number of ice for their time in the ice belt and it will allow the ore miners the ability to carry a little more ore for their time.



Why what is wrong with it being a choice of do i go back or do i grab one more


choice is good


and finding ways to get around having to make that choice by using other game mechanics(such as what has been posted) is also good

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#12 - 2015-03-15 20:11:28 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Velaira Kavees wrote:

So with my limited knowledge of EVE I will slightly adjust my idea to moving the ore hold capacity to 26k. This will allow the Ice miners to pull an even number of ice for their time in the ice belt and it will allow the ore miners the ability to carry a little more ore for their time.



Why what is wrong with it being a choice of do i go back or do i grab one more


choice is good


and finding ways to get around having to make that choice by using other game mechanics(such as what has been posted) is also good


I am training toward the exhumers. The thought of this idea came while mining for ice. The posted idea above of canning 1 block solves my problem completely. That is the method I plan to use and I do appreciate Corraidhin Farsaidh for the information.

Just having an idea and posting it to the forums I did not expect to come under fire
Lugh Crow-Slave
#13 - 2015-03-15 21:08:49 UTC
Velaira Kavees wrote:

Just having an idea and posting it to the forums I did not expect to come under fire


Your not under fire just your ideaBig smile

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ix Method
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-03-15 22:30:04 UTC
Velaira Kavees wrote:
Yes I made a recommendation based on my personal play experience. I do not know how everyone else enjoys their game time. Balanced or not I am entitled to my recommendation/opinion/idea and I do not think it is possible to balance every aspect of the game.

They object for the sake of it most of the time, don't take it personally. Welcome to F&I.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Iain Cariaba
#15 - 2015-03-15 22:42:10 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Velaira Kavees wrote:
Yes I made a recommendation based on my personal play experience. I do not know how everyone else enjoys their game time. Balanced or not I am entitled to my recommendation/opinion/idea and I do not think it is possible to balance every aspect of the game.

They object for the sake of it most of the time, don't take it personally. Welcome to F&I.

If it's an idea that had wide reaching benefits, then I can support it. If it's an idea like this one, where it's nothing more than "I don't like something, so change it," then you'd better believe I'm going to object.
Velaira Kavees
Yesss we can just cynojam all keepstars
Mohist Alliance
#16 - 2015-03-15 23:06:19 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Velaira Kavees wrote:
Yes I made a recommendation based on my personal play experience. I do not know how everyone else enjoys their game time. Balanced or not I am entitled to my recommendation/opinion/idea and I do not think it is possible to balance every aspect of the game.

They object for the sake of it most of the time, don't take it personally. Welcome to F&I.

If it's an idea that had wide reaching benefits, then I can support it. If it's an idea like this one, where it's nothing more than "I don't like something, so change it," then you'd better believe I'm going to object.


I was not posting here because "I did not like something, so change it". I posted here because I was mining ice and said hey, i think this might be a good idea.

It would be nice if my ore hold was 26k but if it has to be 25k then ill deal with it. I have been doing that all along. Just did not expect or appreciate being placed into the "whining" or "bitching" category because I was not complaining. I can understand not everyone agreeing with me and I am sure many do not. I will admit that initially I was taking it personal but after sitting back and reflecting on the topic I did not come here to complain. I only came here because I had an idea I thought I would share with others.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-03-15 23:14:12 UTC
It gets my conditional support if:

The ore hold expansion is gained by implants, same slot as ice mining bonus, and following implant guidelines, capping at 3%

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#18 - 2015-03-15 23:35:41 UTC
Zimmer Jones wrote:
It gets my conditional support if:

The ore hold expansion is gained by implants, same slot as ice mining bonus, and following implant guidelines, capping at 3%


fine by me and make them player made similar to ascendancy

Ix Method wrote:

They object for the sake of it most of the time, don't take it personally. Welcome to F&I.



this basically if their is a flaw in you idea i will oppose it then it is your job to either defend that point or amend that point it's nothing against you that's just how you see if there is a good idea burred under one persons opinion/experience or not



it's why we have a discussion forum rather than a submission box :)

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#19 - 2015-03-15 23:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Velaira Kavees wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
So, because you use it for ice mining means everyone uses it for ice mining, and it needs to be changed just to suit your whims? Sorry, but no. I could counter propose that, because I pull 1480m3/cycle with strip miners that it should either be reduced to 23,680m3 (16 cycles) or increased to 25,160m3 (17 cycles) so I don't have to choose to run one miner or waste ore. Make the choice between running the 1 beam or going back light.


No just because I use it for ice mining does not mean everyone uses it for ice mining.
I did not demand it needs to be changed, I just posted a recommendation.

Yet your recommendation only takes your usage into consideration. It's a matter of balance, and you cannot obtain a balance by making it work for just one thing.
It's 1k m3. There's really no need to be so hyper-aggressive. OP isn't asking for more tank or more speed or fighters. A simple "No" would suffice, although I personally like the thought of all eight mining ships having their ore bays rounded up or down to the nearest even number if they aren't already at one. In fact, given the precise nature of OP's request, I suspect reducing the ore bay by 1k to be 24 instead of 25 would be accepted equally well.

OP isn't asking for a massive thing, just a little quality-of-life tweak. It won't ever happen, but we needn't unleash the dogs of war over it.

Iain Cariaba wrote:
If it's an idea that had wide reaching benefits, then I can support it. If it's an idea like this one, where it's nothing more than "I don't like something, so change it," then you'd better believe I'm going to object.
Perhaps you should do something else for a week. You seem likely to lash out at anyone and everyone, even for something as simple as your tea being slightly too hot or your whiskey having too much ice in it. Separating yourself from F&I for a period of time may help your constitution.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-03-16 11:09:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
it's why we have a discussion forum rather than a submission box :)

Perhaps. But half a dozen regular posters on here don't actually discuss 99 times of 100, they simply reply to backseat moderate or throw up obtuse objections to derail threads.

It's bizarre we have such aggressive moderation everywhere else but this **** gets left alone. Kinda sad that more constructive stuff gets done on Reddit and Twitter than on easily accessible, official forums because such shite gets slapped down and discussions are allowed to flourish.

+1 to the OP, this wouldn't harm anything and would spread a little happiness. Please stick around and share your ideas Smile

Travelling at the speed of love.
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