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No Class
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2015-03-10 16:06:41 UTC
MANDIGO COOTERSTANK wrote:
IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key.


To me this is a key point. When i have joined past corporations, I start with no roles and responsibilities. Basically, you start at the bottom of the ranks and have to prove yourself worthy to work your way up. That being said, you guys have made it pretty clear that an API key is not necessary in this instance of corp recruitment. Thanks for all the info though. Very educational to see all this input on the subject.
Oraac Ensor
#82 - 2015-03-10 17:17:29 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Trusting someone you don't know is plain stupid.

Exactly.

The number one reason why nobody gets my API (except possibly the guy who built this computer for me).
Errata Sum
Doomheim
#83 - 2015-03-10 17:32:59 UTC
Never given out my full API, never will.

Inb4 NPC corp comments.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#84 - 2015-03-10 18:19:22 UTC
One point not made here... Asking for a full api then receiving a partial or lip service/internet lawyering is a sign that a potential recruit may be more trouble than they are worth.

Think about some of the hostile responses in this topic. If asking for something simple like a full api results in such hostility, what will happen when you ask them to help or be a part of an arduous move operation? If they can't follow the simple instructiona of clicking "select all", will they be able to follow fleet commands? If they are such a special snowflake that they must be given special treatment during recruiting, then will they be such a prima donna during normal Corp life that it becomes problematic?

In other words, it's not just about what the key grants access to, but your own behavior to the request itself. And yes, this may sound like me saying be a sheep. However, I never said don't ask questions, just obey. I'm only pointing out that your behavior to this request will be judge to see if you are a fit for the Corp.
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2015-03-10 18:43:40 UTC
I wonder how many players sell API details... Shocked

EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Oraac Ensor
#86 - 2015-03-10 19:38:56 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
If they can't follow the simple instructiona of clicking "select all", will they be able to follow fleet commands?

>>>

However, I never said don't ask questions, just obey.

Instructions????? Obey????? Jeez ... the arrogance.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2015-03-12 01:21:38 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
One point not made here... Asking for a full api then receiving a partial or lip service/internet lawyering is a sign that a potential recruit may be more trouble than they are worth.

Think about some of the hostile responses in this topic. If asking for something simple like a full api results in such hostility, what will happen when you ask them to help or be a part of an arduous move operation? If they can't follow the simple instructiona of clicking "select all", will they be able to follow fleet commands? If they are such a special snowflake that they must be given special treatment during recruiting, then will they be such a prima donna during normal Corp life that it becomes problematic?

In other words, it's not just about what the key grants access to, but your own behavior to the request itself. And yes, this may sound like me saying be a sheep. However, I never said don't ask questions, just obey. I'm only pointing out that your behavior to this request will be judge to see if you are a fit for the Corp.

What crap. You are saying not wanting to give away personal information about my account is the same as disobeying their FC in a fleet? It's not as you say "they can't follow a simple rule". It is rather they don't WANT to follow a stupid demand for personal information. Hardly the same as following commands when "playing a bloody game".

Just an absolute stupid comparison...
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2015-03-12 02:14:50 UTC
No Class wrote:
MANDIGO COOTERSTANK wrote:
IMO a full API key should never be necessary to join a corp. Now, if you are already established in a corp and are applying for roles, or dealing with ~very expensive things~ then its to be expected that you'll need to supply a full key.


To me this is a key point. When i have joined past corporations, I start with no roles and responsibilities. Basically, you start at the bottom of the ranks and have to prove yourself worthy to work your way up. That being said, you guys have made it pretty clear that an API key is not necessary in this instance of corp recruitment. Thanks for all the info though. Very educational to see all this input on the subject.


that statement could not be more wrong

it's very simple

if there is a corp that's letting you in without checking your API first, you don't want to be a part of that corp if you plan to be anything more than a highsec lvl2 mission runner
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#89 - 2015-03-12 04:36:53 UTC
If you want to join a corporation and the recruiter can actually give you a sincere reason why he wants an API and can explain what he wants to look at and you don't object to him looking at those things there's no reason not to submit one.

However I give out the API of my spy alts all the time to highsec corporations and it doesn't prevent anything. Hell I don't know what they're even doing with them once I give them it.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2015-03-12 09:38:08 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If you want to join a corporation and the recruiter can actually give you a sincere reason why he wants an API and can explain what he wants to look at and you don't object to him looking at those things there's no reason not to submit one.

However I give out the API of my spy alts all the time to highsec corporations and it doesn't prevent anything. Hell I don't know what they're even doing with them once I give them it.


not even sure they know.

It's the Erin Brockovich effect ... information deluge.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Irya Boone
The Scope
#91 - 2015-03-12 11:20:47 UTC
you should only apply to corp which ask for DNA samples ... just sayinShocked

In my corp we ask dna samples
real life Photos , of you you husband/spouse, children ... dog or cat if you have
and your IP adress ..

we have to be sure you know P

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2015-03-13 13:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Irya Boone wrote:
you should only apply to corp which ask for DNA samples ... just sayinShocked

In my corp we ask dna samples
real life Photos , of you you husband/spouse, children ... dog or cat if you have
and your IP adress ..

we have to be sure you know P

I AM prepared to supply urine and fecees samples...
HiltoftheDragons
Grievance3
#93 - 2015-03-13 21:01:57 UTC
I have to agree with the majority here.

Ive never given my full api to anyone and never will. Ive really never had any issues with any recruiter harassing me for a full api anyway but i'll always stick to my personal rule.

Ive given my limited one plenty of times. I tend to agree its all anybody needs to determine if your a good addition to any corp.

P.S. I blame this game for making me so vigilant and prone to giving everybody i meet in any game a raised eyebrow. Im sure that will be a behavior ill never be able to let go.

Destiny always seems decades away, but suddenly it's not decades away; it's right now. But maybe destiny is always right now, right here, right this very instant, maybe.
Vega Makutu
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2015-03-13 21:18:06 UTC
If you want to join a certain corp and they have an application and operations process you don't agree with, then don't join.

What's to complain about.
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2015-03-13 22:35:17 UTC
Good luck joining any decent wormhole corp without handing over APIs, for example. I hope you wouldnt mind sharing all your blingy ships with random dudes who might be corp thieves and werent checked out.

Also good luck asking FCs, diplos and op planners for their APIs from your position of unknown and unproven dude who wants to join their corp.

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#96 - 2015-03-13 23:56:09 UTC
No Class wrote:
So i'm looking for a new corp, but on the adverts i'm seeing almost all of them want my FULL API key. Is this safe? Can anything bad come of this?


Join Brave Newbies.
Grima The Mad
Ouroboros Solutions
Recursive Horizons
#97 - 2015-03-17 10:47:46 UTC
A lot of corporations provide services such as forums for it's members to post in as well as teamspeak/mumble/jabber etc. Brave does require an API as well, but that's because it allows those services to check and make sure that you're in a corporation.

Keep in mind too, even if they don't ask for it during an interview, if you EVER enter it on a service any corporation provides it can be pulled on their side. So if you sign up for a corp and they have you signup for a site that requires an API like core services or anything like that, you are giving them your api. As it stand right now though API's are read only.

I have lost track of what I was doing.
Falken Falcon
#98 - 2015-03-17 10:52:48 UTC
Celise Katelo wrote:
I wonder how many players sell API details... Shocked

You'd be surprised Blink

Aye, Sea Turtles
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#99 - 2015-03-17 14:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
No Class wrote:
So i'm looking for a new corp, but on the adverts i'm seeing almost all of them want my FULL API key. Is this safe? Can anything bad come of this?

Safe.

Here is a tool commonly used by recruiters to do audits. Cut yourself full keys and load them there to see what they can see. 'onepage' summary is dank.

F

Would you like to know more?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2015-03-17 14:13:07 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
No Class wrote:
So i'm looking for a new corp, but on the adverts i'm seeing almost all of them want my FULL API key. Is this safe? Can anything bad come of this?

Safe.

No it is not, never not post a full API to some internet page Ugh

I'm my own NPC alt.