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Wrong. Grow up. Believe it or not, many EVE players actually care about balance in the game. that's all this is.

Again, not what I said. Once again you misrepresent me.

No, that's according to what CCP themselves have said. Educate yourself before screeching on.

All that matters is that Tora is a terrible idea for a candidate if you care about game balance, and his ideas are badly though out and favour his playstyle. Most of the support he has are his alliance and alliance that do what he does, simply beacuse they too support ideas that unbalance the game further in their favour.

Anyway, I'm done arguing with you. As always you are just going to repeated lie, misrepresent ideas and personally attack me. We're not going to get anywhere constructive with this as it's impossible for anyone to have a constructive discussion with you. So good day sir.

Like they will do any better in battleships against career PVP players now?

There is no difference.


Yeah, i support to have a better PVP and war dec system in empire that reflects both sides.


And you think it's any different now with battleships?

Again, what differences does it make when career PVPers still have an edge over the PVEers today with battleships anyways?


Show me how many peoples that does agree with you in here and then shows us on how many that does agree with Tora here. There is a huge difference here.


I do that aswell, but we still have to take one thing at a time. You can't expect Tora to just put out a complete list of things that will rebalance everything with empire PVP and war decs in one go.

Why are we typing?
The votes are in. It probably doesn't matter if Tora won or not. SOV changes coming shows that CCP probably won't listen to him or the player base.
Actually, it would be hilarious if Tora goes in talking about all this woes and CCP are like, "Erm ... those are easily solved. Hang on, station games ... ganking all of this is really broken. Oh well, we don't have a solution, guess we just make all 0.8 to 1.0 areas where you can't take any hostile action against another player."

Whats the source of your claim ? I read and listen to almost everything in Eve and cant remember seeing it. But maybe there is another good source I didnt know about yet.

I agree, having just corp mates agree with this isnt the most reliable feedback, so I do want opinions from others about it. But that's also true for your replies Lucas. So far, I havent seen anyone agreeing with you too. Maybe less HAHAHA and more short to the point replies ?

@everyone : This isnt a Marmites is so terrible or fantastic post. Lets keep focus on the war mechanism. I seriously want to know other opinions then the people who always reply. Any industrial alliances with an opinion here ? How do you handle wars ?

Honestly, I don't remember where CCP put it, but it prompted several bloggers to post about it, not least of which Sugar writing 3 blog posts on wardecs. Above and beyond that though, just look at how wardecs work, and what they cause. They make it impossible to run a decently sized non-PvP corp in highsec, and they are a bigger barrier to corporation membership than awoxing was. Do you honestly believe they are going to keep the ability to farm war target corps in the hundreds once time comes to look at the wardec system?

Unfortunately I think that most people with opinions about subjects that are as polarising as this will keep them to themselves, since when you voice an opinion about subjects like this, it's minutes before you've got the usual trolls attacking you and shiptoasting.

To be clear though, my problems with wardecs boil down to the following core issues.
- Wars prevent large scale non-PvP corporations from being viable. The moment you grow to a substantial size you become a target for wardeccers. Having a force to fight back still doesn't protect your non-PvPers, you pretty much have to switch the whole corp to PvP mode for wardecs, which defeats to object of being a PvE corp. This means the most viable option for a PVE players is to remain in NPC corps or solo corps - This is the biggest issue. NPC corps should never be the best choice.

- They don't promote fighting with groups capable of fighting back, in fact quite the opposite. You are better off farming a lot of players with no desire and no skill to fight back than taking on a challenging war.

- Tied in with the above, there's too little to actually fight over. Wars are relatively aimless. There's more than enough moons for people to split up and POCOs are generally owned buy larger groups who occasionally fight over them. This means the general aim of a ward is to destroy a group, get loot or simply buff killboard stats.

- Wars are aggressor driven. The defender has the options of fight back or evade. Once an aggressor chooses to attack there's no other ways to attempt to deal with it without it being the aggressors decision. Any attempts to negotiate a surrender have to be agreed by the aggressor, so effectively this means that the aggressor is paying to opt you in for content you don't want to play at all. Allies were put in to try to affect this, but for the most part mercs for hire there are either outright scams run by the aggressor or far more expensive than simply disbanding your corp and playing in NPC land.

1- 100% false premise. No facts presented. Discarded.
2- 100% false premise. No facts presented. Discarded.
3- Agreed. Wars need more meaning.
4-Agreed. Don't know if that's an issue but the premise holds water.
4b- 100% false premise. No facts presented. Discarded.

D.

False.
Ships, like pods and pocos drop 0% of their value.
Chance based loot drop is a lottery on itself and that's excluding people stealing or shooting your loot.
Added to that their is a thing like loosing ships which is 100% a cost.
A large percentage of the wars yield no 'result'. Only cost much isk.
As a merc corp in EVE, you have to be very attentive and shrewd to be able to break even.

D.

You can't just refer to people's blogs who agree with you and tell us its CCP's direction. That's just as bad as me claiming I am right, as Marmite members tell me so.

No worries about trolls here, this isnt C&P and the ISD's kill first and then ask questions later in the CSM section. Or use alts. And if thats still not acceptable, mail me. I cant know how people think about Eve issues if they don't tell me first.

"Wars prevent large scale non-PvP corporations from being viable" If this is possible in any other part of Eve, why cant you do so in an even more safer part of Eve like high-sec ? So, I don't agree with you here. During a war, only a small part of high-sec can shoot you. In any other space, they can all shoot you. What is more dangerous to be in ? I think the biggest problem is, that high-sec has more newbies in it, that do not know yet how to counter it. When we are at war with non high-sec industrials, for example mining in high-sec, they are very hard to kill. They watch local, are often aligned, use the watch lists, run locater's from time to time and more. Smart playing keeps you alive, not nerfing the game.

I don't agree with you that wars are aimless. Like I told you before, wars are also being used to kill the (industrial) competition, deny wh alliances to move through space during wh evictions, deny trade hub use, prevent (ice) miners to clear out entire belts alone and I can give you many more examples. And of course there are also wars for no reasons at all. We sometimes war dec people for flying a Drake.

Do you think people in any other part of Eve, kill people because they've good reasons ? Or is Eve always about power, isks, I want yours, I dont like you, die mofo!, etc....


"Wars are aggressor driven". Yes, just as in any part of Eve. So ? Haven't wars always been that way for centuries ?

Lol for quoting myself Maybe this is something we can add to the NPE ? Missions where an evil villain appears in their local window and they have to warp off in time. Teach them to counter in stead of nerfing the game.

I actually feel dreads in highsec is creating more barriers for new players and forming corps then it would remove due to how easy it would be to wipe out the med and small towers. I honestly believe limiting tower sizes to med and small would make high sec Post's more competitive without placing every Indy pos in high sec at the mercy of those of us who would take advantage of them. I gotta tell ya I'd be the first guy to start ransoming all the Indy Post's in the hek and rens region ;-) .