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Don't be a sucker like me!

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Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#1 - 2015-03-12 00:44:36 UTC
When you have something to sell at a market hub, you may think you can save ISK by offering a direct trade on local, bypassing market fees and taxes if you sold it through the market. But beware! An unscrupulous buyer can offer a trade, post the ISK value you wanted, then switch the value to something much lower just before you hit accept. This happened to me and, ah well, water under the bridge .. but don't fall for the same scam. Let the station have its taxes and just sell it through the market, safe and secure.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-03-12 00:49:15 UTC
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2015-03-12 02:29:54 UTC
Seems like smarter evil carebear used carebear battle tactics to outwitt the much dumber carebear making him carestare at his carebear isk only to withdraw it with evil carebear powers and take the dumber carebear's things. Making him a sad carebear that he needed to post more about his car bear ways.


And I still don't care.

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Valkin Mordirc
#4 - 2015-03-12 03:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Remember the number one rule. If it's to good to be true is a scam.


Number two rule is, If seems legit it's a scam.

Number three, If it looks like a scam. It's a scam.


Edit: Isn't there a pop-up warning saying that say "WARNING: YOU ARE ENTERING DANGEROUS WATERS, TREAD WITH CAUTION!"

So Newbros don't make this mistake?
#DeleteTheWeak
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-03-12 03:31:56 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Seems like smarter evil carebear used carebear battle tactics to outwitt the much dumber carebear making him carestare at his carebear isk only to withdraw it with evil carebear powers and take the dumber carebear's things. Making him a sad carebear that he needed to post more about his car bear ways.


And I still don't care.


So you're an I don't carebear?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2015-03-12 05:17:30 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.



The other reason to use the direct trade window is to give or receive something for free. I do that a fair bit, handing out pre-fitted suicide gank ships or even handing out cheap PVP fitted ships in fleet ops.

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-03-12 06:38:52 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.



The other reason to use the direct trade window is to give or receive something for free. I do that a fair bit, handing out pre-fitted suicide gank ships or even handing out cheap PVP fitted ships in fleet ops.

Do you want a cookie?

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Valkin Mordirc
#8 - 2015-03-12 07:09:45 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.



The other reason to use the direct trade window is to give or receive something for free. I do that a fair bit, handing out pre-fitted suicide gank ships or even handing out cheap PVP fitted ships in fleet ops.

Do you want a cookie?



>.> You never gave me a cookie.
#DeleteTheWeak
Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#9 - 2015-03-12 07:46:53 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Seems like smarter evil carebear used carebear battle tactics to outwitt the much dumber carebear making him carestare at his carebear isk only to withdraw it with evil carebear powers and take the dumber carebear's things. Making him a sad carebear that he needed to post more about his car bear ways.


And I still don't care.


Somehow, this has to do with avatars that only display the white part of their eyes .. they may or may not have irises, and definitely have a period at the end of their corp/alliance name. But of course you don't care about that ...
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#10 - 2015-03-12 16:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Let's be honest. Better to get swindled in this game, than scammed by a real con artist outside of Eve.

Perspective allows one to see the light even in the deepest darkest decrepit dungeon of doom and despair.

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Xayder
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-03-12 17:41:58 UTC
direct trade is so 2010

I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-03-12 20:08:24 UTC
In EVE, there are traders and there are scammers. Only experience will allow you, the freshly minted space cadet, to distinguish between the two. Pro tip: sometimes there is no difference. Carry on.

o7

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J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#13 - 2015-03-12 21:47:41 UTC
Wait.

So you fell for a scam that people have been warning others for for YEARS.

Yes, back when I started in 2010 this was already the case.

So please....

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2015-03-12 22:53:58 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
In EVE, there are traders and there are scammers. Only experience will allow you, the freshly minted space cadet, to distinguish between the two. Pro tip: sometimes there is no difference. Carry on.

o7




There are "scammers" - people that treat a reputation for honesty as the mark of a sucker and who avoid it at any cost.
And there are "traders" - people who treat a reputation for honesty as a currency to be saved up, waiting for the perfect opportunity to spend it.

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2015-03-12 23:53:01 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.



The other reason to use the direct trade window is to give or receive something for free. I do that a fair bit, handing out pre-fitted suicide gank ships or even handing out cheap PVP fitted ships in fleet ops.

Do you want a cookie?



>.> You never gave me a cookie.

Push the green button I'll give you a Klondike bar.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2015-03-13 00:54:53 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.



The other reason to use the direct trade window is to give or receive something for free. I do that a fair bit, handing out pre-fitted suicide gank ships or even handing out cheap PVP fitted ships in fleet ops.

Agreed, was going to add in "or if no isk is changing hands" but didn't want to confuse the situation.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Valkin Mordirc
#17 - 2015-03-13 05:32:35 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Never use the direct trade window to trade unless it is with an alt. There are contracts for a reason.



The other reason to use the direct trade window is to give or receive something for free. I do that a fair bit, handing out pre-fitted suicide gank ships or even handing out cheap PVP fitted ships in fleet ops.

Do you want a cookie?



>.> You never gave me a cookie.

Push the green button I'll give you a Klondike bar.



That's not a cookie though! >=\
#DeleteTheWeak
Seldjan
Cryptologix Inc.
#18 - 2015-03-13 17:02:18 UTC
to the op: is that actually possible? When they change the ISK amount the green tick drops off and then they have to press the offer button again and you would see all this.

The only way I see it going wrong is if the trade window doesn't actually enforce any kind of transactionality and just accepts whatever the state of the trade window is at server tick regardless of if both parties agreed on a trade or not. I find that hard to believe but this is EVE after all...

Admittedly been a long time since I tested this. Last thing I bought through direct trade was a PLEX in jita a couple of years ago and had no issues. I did double check the offer before hitting accept of course though.

One more game mechanic for me to test added to the list...
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#19 - 2015-03-13 17:13:48 UTC
yeah you got hit by the reverse scam that's been around forever in this game, usually its some one offing an item and then they switch items on you when you go to purchase it.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith