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Rifter vs rifter tactics
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JonnyRandom
#1 - 2011-12-10 15:28:20 UTC
Being a newb to pvp I'm often told to fly a rifter. The rifter being the most popular frigate, though, means I'm often coming up against other rifters, rather than any other frigates that are supposed to be easy meal for the rifter. So what tactics are supposed to be used when fighting another rifter?
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#2 - 2011-12-10 15:53:49 UTC
I would say look at his guns. If he has bigger guns than you, get in close and try to get under his tracking. If he has smaller guns, pull range, as you will hit harder from farther. I would also strongly suggest that you overheat your web (if you fit one, which you probably should be doing) when closing distance. This means you'll start slowing him down a little bit faster, and usually lets you set up your orbit or maneuver nicely.

For more specific advice, you might want to post what fit you're using, the rifter can be flown several different ways.
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-10 16:28:26 UTC
Have a better dps:ehp ratio than him ;P
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-10 16:31:58 UTC
Impossible to help you without knowing if you are using a shield or armor fit.
JonnyRandom
#5 - 2011-12-10 16:46:01 UTC
I'm flying all kinds of fits at the moment, but for the sake of argument let's take the basic cookie-cutter fit?

[Rifter, 200mm plate, AB, nos]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#6 - 2011-12-11 00:31:54 UTC
I think that the 150mm/Nos setup might be a bit more versatile, but I'd say for straight up 1v1s the 200mm/Rocket setup is best; load Barrage and kite other Rifters, it should work in a similar fashion to Taranis PvP, only without the dual prop.

I'm no expert though since I have very rarely flown an Autocannon Rifter before... but I can recomend an arty Rifter as a good option because I used to kill lots of Rifters a couple years ago with a 250mm setup, though it takes a bit longer than an Autocannon setup.

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Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-11 03:09:06 UTC
Dorian Tormak wrote:
I think that the 150mm/Nos setup might be a bit more versatile, but I'd say for straight up 1v1s the 200mm/Rocket setup is best; load Barrage and kite other Rifters, it should work in a similar fashion to Taranis PvP, only without the dual prop.

I'm no expert though since I have very rarely flown an Autocannon Rifter before... but I can recomend an arty Rifter as a good option because I used to kill lots of Rifters a couple years ago with a 250mm setup, though it takes a bit longer than an Autocannon setup.

arty rifter with long point and nanos etc is disgustingly awesome if piloted well. You need to be on top of your transversal etc though. The artillery is small so you can keep it relatively high, anyway. Not sure whether a MWD is best since a scram will literally kill you. I think t2 AB + nanos is good enough, plus it doesn't blow up your sig.
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#8 - 2011-12-11 03:40:27 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
arty rifter with long point and nanos etc is disgustingly awesome if piloted well. You need to be on top of your transversal etc though. The artillery is small so you can keep it relatively high, anyway. Not sure whether a MWD is best since a scram will literally kill you. I think t2 AB + nanos is good enough, plus it doesn't blow up your sig.


Yeah I used an afterburner as well; i didn't use nanos though, I went afterburner + warp disruptor + web with a DCU and SAR and an overdrive injector

Still, I've been finding more and more arty Rifters flying around these days.

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Jaxemont
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-11 19:59:09 UTC
If you’re new with low SP, trying to win the DPS:EHP fight is difficult. I found a 400mm plate fit to be a great anti-rifter ship. I got several kills with it even though I still only have Minmatar Frigate 4, and at the time my gunnery support skills were mediocre. (Rapid Firing and Motion Prediction 4, everything else 3)

[Rifter, 400mm plate]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I

The neut is the key to killing other SAR rifters, and greatly helps in winning the DPS:EHP race. You can also use Armor rigs instead of projectile rigs, but they are more expensive and slow you down. It might be worth dropping an Ambit Extension for an Anti-Explosive Pump though. I’ve had a few fights where the fight was close and I got away in hull.

But I tell you: flying away in a burning rifter after looting your opponents wreck is one of the most satisfying moments I’ve had in Eve. :)
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#10 - 2011-12-12 11:13:28 UTC
The key to killing ships which are of the the same type as yours is knowing how their ship is fit and who is going to be shooting at you. This is all about multitasking.

If you are not sure who is flying the rifter that you are seeing on scan, go sit at a belt at 100, align out to another belt and see who comes to shoot at you.

When the other rifter lands, and whilst he is approaching you or wandering around / when you are sure about who you might be shooting at, look up his character here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/search.php - although its not 100% accurate and doesn't necessarily give the best information, battleclinic can often give you an idea of a pilots skill and proficiency with the ship he is currently in and provide you with information about his likely fit.

Other things you can do to establish his likely fit are to use the look at button to check what gun type he is using (must be within 100km). Also either have velocity on your overview and check his speed (low speed may indicate armour tank / ab fit whereas high speed would mean mwd fit - bear in mind that some people may manually set speed to try and throw you off) or try to guage his speed against your fit.

Hopefully, by checking his previous fits, gun types and speed, you will be able to get some indication of how the rifter you are facing will be fit prior to engaging.

After that, choose your ammunition type and strategy accordingly - this part is mainly about damage types, range, tracking, speed and capacitor.

Be prepared to change your strategy when you start fighting - you can get a further indication of his fit and tactics by looking to your overview to check what modules he is using against you. The key here is knowing how rifters can be fit and the strategies to beat those fits.

Good luck! All hail the rifter!

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2011-12-12 11:42:11 UTC
Don't forget to have better grammar than your opponent.

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Score
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-12-12 15:02:23 UTC
Just add SP.

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Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#13 - 2011-12-12 15:27:47 UTC
Worth trying keep at range over orbiting, particulary for kiting fits. Rifters are very popular but consequently flown by a wide range of abilities, which means greater chance of coming across someone who doesn't understand transversal. Consider unorthodox fits (arty, shields, speed rigs).
Ayuren Aakiwa
When i Look Up At The Stars I Am Filled With Rage
#14 - 2011-12-21 03:34:02 UTC
Getting minmatar frigate 5 helps Big smile
I have had some success against average setups with 2 Small armor repair II's and dc II for tank.
Ultimately an arty rifter with good range, long range point, and mwd could best most. If you know what you are doing with it Bear
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#15 - 2011-12-21 15:27:30 UTC
Jaxemont wrote:
If you’re new with low SP, trying to win the DPS:EHP fight is difficult. I found a 400mm plate fit to be a great anti-rifter ship. I got several kills with it even though I still only have Minmatar Frigate 4, and at the time my gunnery support skills were mediocre. (Rapid Firing and Motion Prediction 4, everything else 3)

[Rifter, 400mm plate]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Ambit Extension I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I

The neut is the key to killing other SAR rifters, and greatly helps in winning the DPS:EHP race. You can also use Armor rigs instead of projectile rigs, but they are more expensive and slow you down. It might be worth dropping an Ambit Extension for an Anti-Explosive Pump though. I’ve had a few fights where the fight was close and I got away in hull.

But I tell you: flying away in a burning rifter after looting your opponents wreck is one of the most satisfying moments I’ve had in Eve. :)


This fit will nom-nom all over the cookie-cutter SAR Rifter which is generally what everyone and their grandmother flies.

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Capital T
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-12-23 05:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Capital T
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't forget to have better grammar than your opponent.


LOL, YES! ha,


Ahh, I've used this for solo 1 v 1 rifter fights that I know will be honored, or am up against someone overestimating in their powers and underestimating me...

[Rifter, active armor]

Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain
3x 150mm Light AutoCannon II (Hail S) or fusion, plasma, Republic Fleet... x 1000

Warp Scrambler II
Small Brief Capacitor Overcharge I (Cap Booster 150) as many as you can fit in cargo
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters

200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Let them web you, and use your approach instead of mindlessly orbiting at 500m like everyone else, youll follow their flight line, and often, if you pilot the ship, you can get right up their ass,,, in your optimal, Use high dmg ammo...