CSM Campaigns

I think we spend way more on CCP war fees, then we get back in loot. Loot fairy hates us. If it was just for the loot, I would stop war deccing people. Have you any idea how much we spend on war dec fees a week ? Its not like ganking where you try to hit high value ships. Your war ideas sound horrible to me. If I wanted to do SOV things, I would have moved full time to null-sec. It would kill the entire meta gaming. It would prevent people to go after the rich incursion players, etc. It would kill the economic war far. We often work for industrials who want us to kill their competition.

Did you know there are MANY high-sec alliances who work together with mercenary alliances and who hardly care about wars ? Those are the smart ones who do get it.

I'd guess at 20-30b a week. and let's look at your kills. 318b is what zkillboards lists for march.

So if your war decs are 30b/week, that works out to 4.3b/day, so for the 12 days of march so far that's 51.6b. That means if the loot fairy drops at least 16.6%, you're in profit, and that's not even including how much you are paid by clients for those wardecs.

If you aren't making isk, you are doing something very wrong.

And of course my ideas sound horrible to you. You want easy risk-free kills against noobs. You already can't go after the rich incursion players, since they can disband and reform their single player corp with ease.

Crazy maths for the win...
Even yesterday, I farmed lots of implants from a pod, awesome loot!... Maybe that was in my dreams...
We all know exploded ship = loot... no? What? Is it only the mods/cargo that has a chance to drop... oh.
We all know mercs never loose a ship, right? What?! those blinged out boats get exploded just as easily as the targets? ouch...
We know in hisec there are not much players stealing loot, right... Like in Jita, everyone has plenty time to loot their kills.... No? Darnit.
POCOS drop awesome loot than?

not even that... jeebus... what happened here? Let's all go to null and not interact with anyone to do PVE!

D.

Ask Gevlon to calculate it. It wont be perfect, but at least much better then most others would do.

https://zkillboard.com/alliance/1680888152/group/1025/ Just an example of things that dont give loot.....

Dude, are you seriously attempting to claim that Marmite is operating at a loss? Sorry, but there's absolutely no way I believe that to be true. You guys are terrible, but you're not that terrible.

The best part is that he's yelling "sandbox!" while doing so, while trying to actively take away player freedom.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Balancing a mechanic isn't removing freedom. I'm not saying they should take away the whole mechanic, but as it currently works it's shockingly unbalanced.


Where have I stated that exactly? What I've said here is that the fact that it's ludicrously easy for highsec wardeccers to make large scale non-PvP corps in highsec extinct is an obvious balance issue. Apparently I must be wrong because Tora wants to keep easy gameplay. There's no way he's being biased and favouring his playstyle over others or anything, and his alliances 95% efficiency is obviously a sign that they are the greatest PvPers in the game, not that farming kills is too easy.

I have no problem with risk in this game, I have no problem with aggression, but the thing I hate most in this game is people who have stupidly easy PvP, yet claim to be more deserving of benefits from CCP because they shoot white squares that pop easily rather than red crosses that pop easily.

And yet here you are, defending unbalanced mechanics which prevent players being able to form up large scale highsec corps that aren't purely PvP focused. Wardecs in their current form contribute heavily to players staying in NPC corps and thus being isolated from the actual sandbox.

Lol? *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Apparently when you way "freedom" what you mean is "absolutely everything must maintain the exact same status quo for eternity otherwise freedom is breached". If that's the case, then yes, I guess by balancing wardecs so they aren't stupidly easy, the freedom of players to farm newbies with great ease is removed, and I'm OK with that.

At the end of the day, if that's the way you see it, then every patch that affects the EVE client is the removal of freedom. In Tiamat 1.5, the freedom for me to have crackling audio in large fleet fights was removed. Those monsters.

No, i don't lose 5 dollars. It's just a lame excuse. Or maybe you haven't directly been war dec'ed by Marmites, but i'm pretty sure you have been suicided by some Marmites some times.

But hey, let's wait for the next excuse that naaaah no, you have never been attacked or killed by Marmites. You in fact reminds me of this person.


In the same way as your opinions here are irrelevant. We are like i said several peoples here that disagree with you while you are the only one in here that doesn't agree with Tora. So it's not hard to figure out on who's right here.

Ofc CCP is going to look at the war decs and empire PVP in the same way as Tora is looking to improve it. It's pretty obvious that there will soon be some changes to those things. But what you are forgetting is that Tora have tons of supports on his ideas while no one agrees with you in here.

So, now go troll elsewhere.

I'm not the only one that's stated that in this thread and certainly not the only once that's stated that wardecs are balanced in favour of the wardec groups overall. And what we have here is several of the "usual suspects" in here telling me I'm wrong because their misrepresented version of my argument is wrong. other than proving that I'm on to a point that you consider significant, it proves nothing. When you have a reasonable argument for why you think it's OK that groups like red frog are unable to create actual corporations and have to instead work from NPC corps, let me know.

In addition, Danalee has asked me what I feel should be done instead and even agreed with the rough idea I threw together in 10 minutes.

But you haven't. You've just told me I'm wrong and said it must be so because Tora does lot's of wardecs. The fact that he is on the aggressive side of wardecs makes it *more likely* that his opinions are biased considerably in favour of wardeccers and that his views are subjective, not less.

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm attacking the ideas and principles put forward by a CSM candidate for there obvious bias. You're automatically assuming that in my 10 years of experience I've missed out on the basic mechanics that make up wardecs. Further, you are resorting to launching personal attacks at me, calling me stupid, dumb, etc. It's the generally expected response when I challenge players like yourself so I'm really not bothered by it, but it doesn't get you anwywhere.

At no point have I claimed to be the god of anything, you're projecting your opinions of what I'm saying as fact, that doesn't make it so. You're also still making the same wrong assumption that I don't do PvP. I've been involved in highsec wardecs, I've taken part in faction warfare, and am in the process of training a character to run in Spectre Fleet. I'm not claiming to have run thousands of wardecs, but then that's not a prerequisite of understanding how the mechanics work.

And the thing is, being an outside to a process gives an objective view of it. Tora's opinions are clouded by his own wants. He favours ideas that benefit him. Take for example the dreadnaughts in highsec idea. That's obviously going to benefit aggressive wardeccers allowing them to contest structures more easily. A smaller group isn;t going to stand a chance of running a dreadnaught without attracting a lot of attention from the likes of Marmite.

Change the to the better for him. Other playstyles will suffer under nearly all of the changes Tora has suggested. He wants "evil", and by that he means he wants it to be even easier for wardec groups to dominate hundreds of corps at a time and even less possible for them the evade. I don't disagree that what he wants will make empire wardecs better for the aggressors, that's obviously true. But the system is already unbalanced in favour of the aggressors, so I don;t believe that making it more unbalanced in their favour is a good idea.