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A Petition to the Sebiestor Tribe

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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2015-03-12 03:32:49 UTC
Greetings.

I am Saede Riordan Sgathiach Vele'kor Sebiestor. I beg the forgiveness of my elders if my voice comes out of turn but my love of my tribe and people forces me to speak on a grave matter that concerns us all. I understand fully that by presenting this here, I am going over the heads of the subtribe and tribal leaders who should have had the ultimate decision to share or withhold the information I must now present. The reason for this breach of conduct will soon become clear, as time was of the utmost importance in this grave matter.

Eram, the seat of our tribe and the home of our elders, is in grave danger. I must present the unfortunate truth, the Eram system has a gun pointed at its head. That gun is the Site One facility, location of the Arek'Jaalan research project, and former home of the now missing Hilen Tukoss. The case I make is simple, the explosion witnessed during the month of November has been shown by the SOE to be the destruction of W477-P's star, a K5 Red Giant. Eram's sun is also a K5 Red Giant, thus it is clearly possible to induce in such a star a supernova level event. If this event was to occur in the midst of the Matari core worlds, the effects would be cataclysmic to the whole of the Matari people.

The case grows more grave still, because the weapon that could be used to induce this destructive even may have been sitting in plain sight this entire time. The Acceleration gate within Site One, supposedly has been under construction for over two years. But it does not take 2+ years to build a single acceleration gate.

The same structures that are present within acceleration gates are also present within talocan static gates, which appear to be the devices used to create wormholes, spacial rifts, and possibly, to bring about the already seen main sequence events.

If the acceleration gate within site one is not actually unfinished, but is actually reconfigured to act as a Talocan static gate, then all that need happen is a supply of isogen-5 be delivered to Site One, and the result could be the destruction of the Sebiestor tribe, if not the whole of the Matari people.

I beg the tribal elders take this matter with grave concern. Deploy the tribal defense forces into Site One and dismantle it completely. Leave nothing but empty space where the facility once stood, but do so with great caution, that the weapon is not used when those who created it feel threatened.

It may in fact be necessary to evacuate as many people as possible from Eram, while the situation there remains stable. The Eram star is not safe, as can clearly be seen with the fate of W477-P. We would be wise to heed that event, lest we become its second victims.

Humbly,
Saede Riordan Sgathiach Vele'kor Sebiestor
Anslo
Scope Works
#2 - 2015-03-12 03:40:02 UTC
Touch it and I'll shred everything and every one you send.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-03-12 03:59:07 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Touch it and I'll shred everything and every one you send.


We will build more ships out of every wreck you leave behind and try again.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2015-03-12 03:59:20 UTC
Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2015-03-12 04:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
Between IRED and ALXVP, man, Scope Works is really rushing out there doing some awesome work.

Looking forward to seeing those two poor organizations collapsing and closing their doors shortly.

In an entirely serious note.

Saede makes an excellent point one which should be given consideration. The fact the stars are the same type is most likely not a coincidence considering the sleeper connection.

Edit: Saying everything is going to explode is probably a bit far. But denying a connection at all is unwise for the Sebiestor at this point.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-03-12 04:32:14 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities.


Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#7 - 2015-03-12 04:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalaratiri
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities.


Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club.


Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour.

Anyway!

While I'm not sure I buy into the whole "the acceleration gate will blow up the sun!" theory, I would like to know why it's taken two years to build so far and show no signs of being completed any time soon.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-03-12 04:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities.


Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club.


Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour.


Problem? Show up at area with problem and exacerbate the problem. Draw attention to self.

That's what it looks like to me.

I say start evacuating first, dismantle second. We do not know if the device is rigged to activate at the slightest provocation. Might want to set up a quarantine zone while the evacuation is in progress.

Site One is compromised, if the (fake?) Hilen transmission was anything to go by. The one where artifacts are being dropped in Site One. Quarantine will thus ensure that nothing gets in and nothing gets out, to minimise the probability of the acceleration gate being tampered with, IF it's not already tampered with. Also, the personnel who worked on Site One should be tracked down and questioned, and every document related to Site One should be recovered and studied, priority being placed to locating contradictions, omissions and tampering.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Sarasvazhi
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-03-12 05:11:59 UTC
The purpose of an acceleration gate is to move materials from the location of the gate to some other place. Perhaps such a gate could inject mass/energy into a star sufficient to trigger gravitational collapse. However, it does not appear that such mass/energy presently exists in the Site One facility.

The Seeker and Drifter civilizations possess an ability to open wormholes and transfer mass/energy to arbitrary locations within our cluster. That capability renders the Site One acceleration gate superfluous to such purpose.

Admittedly, Site One may be an attractive target. An evacuation may be warranted. But the Seeker and Drifter civilizations are not solely interested in Site One. If they possess genocidal intent, destroying that facility would not eliminate their interest in other parts of our cluster.

On the assumption that Site One is a point of interest to them, it would therefore serve us well to understand the nature of that interest. Destroying the facility would extinguish any opportunity to do so.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-03-12 05:23:59 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities.


Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club.


Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour.

Anyway!

While I'm not sure I buy into the whole "the acceleration gate will blow up the sun!" theory, I would like to know why it's taken two years to build so far and show no signs of being completed any time soon.



Well we did force you to dock for an entire night and you have yet to come back to help the Cal/gal warzone. So I guess you are right!
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#11 - 2015-03-12 05:26:02 UTC
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Tell me Anslo, who recruited you into the Interstellar Knee-Jerk Reaction Squad? They're clearly not being paid enough for their spectacular membership scouting abilities.


Knee-Jerk? More like Drama-Pot-Stirrer Club.


Personally, I think he's decided that no-one who doesn't subscribe to his cult of personality is allowed to undock. That's the only explanation I can come up with for his recent behaviour.

Anyway!

While I'm not sure I buy into the whole "the acceleration gate will blow up the sun!" theory, I would like to know why it's taken two years to build so far and show no signs of being completed any time soon.



Well we did force you to dock for an entire night and you have yet to come back to help the Cal/gal warzone. So I guess you are right!


An entire night.

Wow. Keep drinking that cool aid.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2015-03-12 05:26:35 UTC
With all due respect, there are 709 type K5 stars in the New Eden cluster, including the 216 in wormhole space; admittedly, it's a bit of a stretch to include wormhole space in a summary of the cluster, but you get the point. For instance, the Dead End and Exit systems have a K5 star; we could as easily engage in making tinfoil headware of that as well. We could claim a gun is pointed at the collective head of the Intaki people, given their star; or that a symbolic blow to CONCORD could come from blowing up the star of Youl; or a crushing blow to the Gallente capsuleer economy with the loss of Dodixie; or what about Roua, the only named system in the domain of the Society of Conscious Thought?

In brief, beware apophenia.

I know it's difficult in this trying and tumultuous time, but beware it all the same.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-03-12 05:30:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Liuni Kalthis
Quote:


An entire night.

Wow. Keep drinking that cool aid.


Its great koolaid, especially if its drank while witnessing the actions in question. Perhaps...now you might have your brain explode and need to reclone....but perhaps your koolaid is spiked and infact you are the one that is wrong.

But naaaaah can't be right? Oh, how does it feel to be running in a shuttle back to Evati, tail between your legs and scopeworks giving a slap on the rear as you head out?

Turn down for what?
Sarasvazhi
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-03-12 05:37:04 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
In brief, beware apophenia.


I wonder if there is a connection between the destruction of red giants and theological paradigms?
Anslo
Scope Works
#15 - 2015-03-12 05:37:26 UTC
Get mad. Stay mad.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#16 - 2015-03-12 06:02:17 UTC
Lets see, having been born in Eram, and after leaving the RMS, lived there aside from the last 9 months, nothing seems to be different. I will say I haven't been there in a month or two, but I highly doubt that anything has changed that much. Please bare in mind I'm not an expert on what's going on in site one or whatever. What exactly has changed in the last month?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2015-03-12 06:14:58 UTC
Ms. Vess, paranoia and Caroline's Star. With the return of the-- well, whoever they are, capsuleers the cluster over are trying to figure out what happens next. With Tukoss's transmissions indicating a possible attempt to return to Eram and Site One, eyes naturally turned that way.

Given that Caroline's Star was W477-P, a K5, per the Sisters of EVE, the fear is that Eram's star will suffer the same fate.

As said, apophenia.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#18 - 2015-03-12 06:19:13 UTC
Hmm..... makes sense, but still its just speculation right? I Just don't see why we should react due to a shadow rather than anything that we can truly prove. Yes, it happened in W477-P, but who's to say it'll happen in Eram, ya know?
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Gutter Press
#19 - 2015-03-12 06:34:46 UTC
Quote:
cataclysmic to the whole of the Matari people


> helped the Angel Cartel enslave Republic citizens and destroy the Genesis vaults, thereby ending any hope of restoring Matar.


I am sure that the Tribe appreciates your deep concern for the Sebiestor and Matari people, and will give your suggestion the attention it truly deserves.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#20 - 2015-03-12 09:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Being born and living most my young life on Eram I, I have a strong tie to Eram and it's sister system Yrmori. I was concerned when I first heard of Site One being built in Eram but in the end I saw it mostly as a good thing, providing the system with some extra trade and, at least until now, no real extra costs at the expense of those living there.

Certainly the extra attention it's received in the past few months has been alarming for me, even causing me to raise my standings with the Republic again so I could re-enter my own home and check on it myself. Despite my concerns, I still think you are jumping quite far.

Yes, both systems share, or shared, a K5 Red Giant. Since Ms. Priano already pointed it out I will just restate; K5 Red Giants are not an uncommon thing. The nature of Red Giants is that they have already used the hydrogen fuel in their core and are slowly consuming the hydrogen floating outside. The surface temperatures are often cooler than before despite them growing in size and luminosity. The life of a Red Giant goes through many stages, expanding, collapsing, and sometimes expanding again before it collapses into a White Dwarf and ejecting extra gasses, creating a nebula.

This stage of the Red Giant is perhaps the most important, especially with all circumstances considered. Depending on the mass of the Red Giant, the star will fuse helium in different ways. If it is small enough, then something called a "helium flash" could occur, where the rate of fusion increases so dramatically that it creates more energy in a short period of time than it was ever able to before. This event only lasts a few seconds, but it perhaps could be something to investigate. Another event that could happen is of course a supernova.

A supernova can be caused by two known events but they both are a result of too much mass; in a binary system a white dwarf can literally suck the mass from another star into its own core; if it's a single lonesome star then it must be too massive when it contracts that it explodes as the gravity can no longer contain it.

K5 Red Giants are also known to be very stable and medium temperature on the scale of things. It is this final stage of their life that has the natural possibility to go supernova but because of it's size, it is unlikely.

Certainly it wasn't a natural supernova that occurred, as the circumstances surrounding it show, and I think anything that has that power doesn't need a specific type of star. I will say that Caroline's Star seems to now just be a nebula that we can see, and a green one at that. The color of the gas might be something worth investigating as well.

Another thing to note is that the Circadian Seekers and Drifters have both been keeping distance from Site One. Who knows why, but there is either hesitation or no need for them to visit that place so far. If they were using it as some sort of catalyst then I'd think they would be monitoring it regularly.

As for the state of the acceleration gate, Site One and even Arek'Jaalan was for the most part abandoned years ago with the disappearance of Tukoss and the A'J organization dying down to a murmur, only now resurrected into what is a shadow of its former glory. Quite frankly there is no need for the acceleration gate as there's very little need for extra space. Site Two may never be finished.

You're also going on a big assumption to say that all you need is a Talocan Static Gate or something similar, and a cache of Isogen-5 to make a star go supernova. Any proof for this?

It's not surprising to me to see people take small facts and try to piece them together into a larger "truth", after all, it's become even more common practice lately with all the unknowns flying around the cluster lately. I strongly warn people against taking such steps in their logic to jump to any rushed conclusions though. Accept that we know almost nothing and prepare for the worst, certainly, but you need supporting facts and evidence if you ever hope for such a petition to gain any momentum.

So with all that aside, I do respect the call of this petition for the Sebiestor and Republic to take action and do the best they can to safeguard themselves and their core systems, however, with all due respect, I think the conclusions and the reasons you found these conclusions are pretty far-fetched and it'd do a lot of good to perhaps do a similar petition with less "what-if" and more substantial facts and information.

-Eran

Edit: Corrected some misinformation/poor wording. I'm not an expert on stars by any means.
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