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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-12-23 04:36:51 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Logan LaMort wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.

And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair!


What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not.

As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move.


Good evaluation.

You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

Difference being that everyone who has a PS3 has a PS3 controller.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#42 - 2011-12-23 04:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?



You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless.

In fact, I'd wager they already owned a keyboard and mouse to begin with. Even console gamers use that thar thing called the internet. If they didn't I think it'd be pretty pointless for them to try playing a MMOFPS.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-12-23 04:42:47 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?



You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless.

Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2011-12-23 04:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:
You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan?
You actually think most console FPSes support two controllers for a single player?
Or are you just being daft?

The fact remains: the keyboard is an additional cost that doesn't actually add any real additional usefulness, the PS3 controller is not.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#45 - 2011-12-23 04:44:31 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?



You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless.

Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it?


If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower.
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#46 - 2011-12-23 04:45:45 UTC
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#47 - 2011-12-23 04:46:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan?
You actually think most console FPSes support two controllers for a single player?
Or are you just being daft?

The fact remains: the keyboard is an additional cost that doesn't actually add any real additional usefulness, the PS3 controller is not.


Do you believe that the majority of playstation 3 users lack the internet and a basic, non-gaming computer, in the modern age?

If so, why are they attempting to play an MMOFPS, which already assumes they are paying for a broadband internet connection?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2011-12-23 04:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:
If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower.
So you're using a PS3 controller for EVE, then, because you want to reduce the wear and tear on your keyboard, right? Roll
Quote:
Do you believe that the majority of playstation 3 users lack the internet and a basic, non-gaming computer, in the modern age?
No, but I believe that the computer keyboard will be attached/linked to… you know… the computer.
Do you have multiple computers? Do each of them have their own mouse and keyboard?

Do you use the same set of batteries for your TV remote, your mouse, your keyboard, your torch, and your fire detector?
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#49 - 2011-12-23 04:47:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower.
So you're using a PS3 controller for EVE, then, because you want to reduce the wear and tear on your keyboard, right? Roll


Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily.

The more you know"
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-12-23 04:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: First Lieutenant Dan
I found this for you.

Xbox controllers don't use rubber...
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-12-23 04:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
First Lieutenant Dan wrote:
I found this for you.

Xbox controllers don't use rubber...


the loadout has been updated.. no longer LSE+Shield booster + purges Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2011-12-23 04:50:41 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily.
You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you? Roll

Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-12-23 04:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Kuronaga wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?



You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless.

Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it?


If you use a keyboard and mouse, you wear on your controller less, thus break it in slower.

That makes a pretty weak argument. It's there to be used and of course will wear, and for the vast majority of situations, considering we are talking about a console, the KB/M will be useless.

Necessitating non-standard, rarely used, equipment to be competitive on a console thus raising the entry cost for most players, is a loosing proposition, especially when most of your target audience hasn't even heard of your brand/company.

Edit: My original PS3 controller from 07 is still in working order.
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-12-23 04:52:01 UTC
He noticed. D:
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#55 - 2011-12-23 04:52:07 UTC
So in conclusion,

If a person has a PS3 and is planning on getting Dust 514, they have the internet.

If they have the internet, they probably have a PC.

If they have a PC, they have a mouse and keyboard.

If they have a mouse and keyboard, it is not an additional cost.

If it is not an additional cost, Tippia can go back to pretending he's smart in some other thread by using circular logic.


Thank you for playing, it has been a fairly mind numbing experience talking to you, as always.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2011-12-23 04:52:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily.
You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you? Roll

Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE?


because its not supported Cool But it can be done probably, but it would not provide any advantage over keyboard + mouse
Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#57 - 2011-12-23 04:53:34 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?



You actually think most console gamers stick to a single controller throughout their consoles lifespan? oh dear me, you are clueless.

In fact, I'd wager they already owned a keyboard and mouse to begin with. Even console gamers use that thar thing called the internet. If they didn't I think it'd be pretty pointless for them to try playing a MMOFPS.


There's a difference between using a keyboard and mouse and using a keyboard and mouse for gaming. I didn't get into PC gaming until a while after I had an original Playstation. I still remember how painful it was learning how to effectively play Unreal Tournament online with a keyboard and mouse after only ever using controllers to control video games. There's no way I would have stuck to it if UT wasn't a mind blowing game.

I doubt many PS3 users would stick to Dust if it was presented to them as a PS3 exclusive and then they found out that the only way they won't get owned is to go buy a USB keyboard and mouse and learn it until their fingers bleed.
I seriously doubt Dust would have that much appeal... it would be like the .jpg of the EVE learning curve, because as much as I find a keyboard and mouse so easy to use now, I still remember it's not something you just pick up, especially if you play a controller.
Exactly the same when exclusive keyboard and mousers pick up a controller and go all herr durr... they're very different input methods and as a gamer I'm glad I can use both quite effectively.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#58 - 2011-12-23 04:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
You realize that even if you were correct (you're not) we are talking about a game where losing involves paying money for microtransactions. Poor people shouldn't be playing it to begin with, let alone someone who can't find 15 dollars to buy a 10 year old keyboard and mouse with superior ability to their 50 dollar controller.
First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-12-23 04:58:24 UTC
So in conclusion,

If a person has an Xbox and is planning on getting Dust 514, they have the internet.

If they have the internet, they probably have a PC.

If they have a PC, they have a mouse and keyboard.

If they have a mouse and keyboard, it is not an additional cost.

If it is not an additional cost, Tippia can go back to pretending he's smart in some other thread by using circular logic.


Thank you for playing, it has been a fairly mind numbing experience talking to you, as always.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#60 - 2011-12-23 04:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Keyboards last longer than controllers, because they are not reliant upon rubber contacts that wear over time and other fragile parts that break easily.
You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you? Roll

Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE?


Because it's a ******** idea that came from your mind.

Also, I mod controllers quite often, and did a lot of work specifically on the original xbox 360 launch controller which had a terrible dpad for fighting games.

The PS3 controller actually wears down faster, but has a much better pad to start with for precision, so I didn't have to work with it much.

I've been a PC gamer just as long as I've been a console gamer, and from experience I can easily state that keyboards last far longer.