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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#21 - 2011-12-23 03:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
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No.


Yes. Five people that I know myself personally, and plenty of others I'm sure. Simply saying "no" doesn't make it so, Tippia. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but these players obviously exist.

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Going after customer X when you're making a game for customer Y means neither X or Y will be happy. So you ditch X because he's irrelevant and only adds pointless extra work for no extra gain.


PS3 already has keyboard and mouse support. This isn't something that is difficult to code into the game, at any stage of development.

Furthermore, console gamers are largely stupid to begin with. Some of them actually believe they have the advantage on a controller, and rest of them probably already own a keyboard and mouse. It's not exactly unheard of.
Mathilde D'Arc
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
#22 - 2011-12-23 03:59:06 UTC
OMG I am selling my PS3 because if this unimportant bullshit.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#23 - 2011-12-23 04:01:59 UTC
Mathilde D'Arc wrote:
OMG I am selling my PS3 because if this unimportant bullshit.


OMG I am selling my xbox 360 because of your unimportant post.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-23 04:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
And i will sell my Porsche, but i dont have one Sad

Also maybe they managed to make controller actually great thing to play with in DUST 514 Smile
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#25 - 2011-12-23 04:04:36 UTC
Furthermore, what about that stupid toy gun looking thing people use to play killzone?

It's ok to use that crap, but its unfair for someone to use a keyboard and mouse? what?
J Kunjeh
#26 - 2011-12-23 04:07:12 UTC
I couldn't be happier to hear that there will be no KB + mouse control for Dust. Wooohoo! Controllers FTW.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2011-12-23 04:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:
Yes.
No. You're making the argument that we should add instances, battlegrounds, PvE servers, and wizards to EVE because right now, we're having a ton of lost sales by not having them.

…except that those are not lost sales — they are not part of the customer base. CCP is going for customer type X; the willingness of customer type Y to buy the game isn't relevant, because they're not part of the target market. You know, they're not including a dish washer in Dust either, so that's a ton of lost sales to stay-at-home parents who would like to have one.

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these players obviously exist.
…but are irrelevant.
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PS3 already has keyboard and mouse support. This isn't something that is difficult to code into the game, at any stage of development.
…and that's why it's in every console FPS… except for pretty much all of them. Roll
So maybe you're missing some important detail in making your leap of logic from “easy to do” to “done”.
Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#28 - 2011-12-23 04:10:22 UTC
Most people on the PS3 play with with a controller, Dust is aimed at those people.

By providing keyboard and mouse support those people would be forced to to use keyboard and mouse to remain competitive... thing is those people don't use a keyboard and mouse, most of them won't even know how for an FPS game. Why should they have to learn a completely new control method that is unsupported by every other game on their system?

It would be like a console player buying a PC FPS and asking everyone else to use controllers just because they don't want to learn how to use keyboard and mouse.
J Kunjeh
#29 - 2011-12-23 04:11:27 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:

Furthermore, console gamers are largely stupid to begin with. [/i].


Then we should all stop listening to you now, since you're an admitted console player...

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#30 - 2011-12-23 04:14:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Yes.
No. You're making the argument that we should add instances, battlegrounds, PvE servers, and wizards to EVE because right now, we're having a ton of lost sales by not having them.

…except that those are not lost sales — they are not part of the customer base. CCP is going for customer type X; the willingness of customer type Y to buy the game isn't relevant, because they're not part of the target market. You know, they're not including a dish washer in Dust either, so that's a ton of lost sales to stay-at-home parents who would like to have one.

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these players obviously exist.
…but are irrelevant.
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PS3 already has keyboard and mouse support. This isn't something that is difficult to code into the game, at any stage of development.
…and that's why it's in every console FPS… except for pretty much all of them. Roll
So maybe you're missing some important detail in making your leap of logic from “easy to do” to “done”.


Yea, a few lines of code to make the system recognize a certain type of input that's already supported by the system itself, man that's some hard stuff right there. Those poor chinese developers just can't take the workload.

Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.

And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair!
Mirima Thurander
#31 - 2011-12-23 04:15:02 UTC
7/10

you got 2 pages and got many extra troll posts

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#32 - 2011-12-23 04:15:31 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
[quote]

Yes. Five people that I know myself personally, and plenty of others I'm sure.


NO WAY!!!

It's the end of console gaming as we know it. Five + people claiming not to want it now. Kinda reminds me of all the people that "quit" EVE not so long ago. Still see them posting though.

People play X Box and the like for the convenience of sitting on the couch in front of a big TV and holding a controller. Relatively few consolers use a keyboard/mouse for controlling the game.

It's a non-issue. Put it to bed, dude. You are simply on the losing end of this argument.

Mr Epeen Cool
Croniac
Thunder Chickens
#33 - 2011-12-23 04:18:18 UTC
Its interesting to me that Eve players still think that CCP is making Dust for Eve Players.

Its a completely different game, for a completely different player, it has nothing to do with eve other than a shared universe. Its like comparing Stratego to WWIIOL.

CCP isn't looking to make Eve2. They are looking to make Halo in the eve context. Does the Console version of Halo allow standard keyboard movement (I really don't know, so if it does, don't flame me too much).
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#34 - 2011-12-23 04:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Croniac wrote:
Its interesting to me that Eve players still think that CCP is making Dust for Eve Players.

Its a completely different game, for a completely different player, it has nothing to do with eve other than a shared universe. Its like comparing Stratego to WWIIOL.

CCP isn't looking to make Eve2. They are looking to make Halo in the eve context. Does the Console version of Halo allow standard keyboard movement (I really don't know, so if it does, don't flame me too much).



So if I quit eve tomorrow, my argument suddenly becomes more valid?

Possibly, but then I couldn't troll you guys. Not an even tradeoff, so CCP better comply to my demands.


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these players obviously exist.
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…but are irrelevant.


Tippia, never go into business. You have a terrible business sense. Please, stick to a teaching career or something where you can brainwash young teenagers into getting something useless like a liberal arts degree.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2011-12-23 04:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kuronaga wrote:
Yea, a few lines of code to make the system recognize a certain type of input that's already supported by the system itself, man that's some hard stuff right there.
Right. Like I said: you're missing some pretty important details in making your leap of logic from “easy to do” to “done”.
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Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly?
The same thing that's stopping you from using a PS3 controller in EVE.
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And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment?
No, that's not flipping the argument — it's the exact same argument, only with the unproven assumption that Move will provide the same advantages as KB/M. So instead, let's actually flip the argument: would it be fair if, in EVE, the only keyboard supported was the Datahand and if the game used 1:1 mouse speed and didn't support any acceleration and didn't detect any other buttons than left- and right click?
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You have a terrible business sense.
Maybe, but my business sense is still lightyears ahead of your development sense. Roll
Oh, and I can only assume that you're really upset about that lack of a dish washer in the Dust package as well, right?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#36 - 2011-12-23 04:29:45 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Flakey Foont wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041

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Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PC’s keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, it’s far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.


Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.




The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play.

It's true.


100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?


That they can rush an expansion a couple months that appeases asshats.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-12-23 04:30:42 UTC
Loving all these PC4LYF tears.

GET


OVER


IT


ALREADY!!!!
Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#38 - 2011-12-23 04:31:49 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.

And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair!


What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not.

As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#39 - 2011-12-23 04:33:37 UTC
Logan LaMort wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.

And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair!


What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not.

As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move.


Good evaluation.

You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2011-12-23 04:35:52 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
You are noticing, of course, that a generic keyboard and mouse is cheaper than both a PS3 controller, and one of those PSmove weapons?

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?