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4 minutes with an XL booster...? I must be mising something...
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Koranoth
Mabo Land Rights
#1 - 2011-09-13 21:11:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Koranoth
So I recently got into a Varg, and I am loving it so far, but I have a couple of questions about fits I see on battleclinic.

Take this one for example: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/52624-Vargurly-Good-DPS-1321DPS-4-3-71KM.html
It claims to have over 4 minutes of cap. So I tried fitting a ship very similar, but only got about a minute thirty or so. So I plugged the fit into EFT, and added all level 5 skills. Even EFT says it shouldn't last past two minutes cap wise.

There are other fits like that on Battleclinic that claim to have over 4 minutes of cap, but so far, none of them get past two minutes according to EFT.

Did CCP recently nerf XL boosters, or am I missing something?

Also, I see fits with Pithum Med boosters and boost amps. That seems like a realatively low tank for a mission with multiple BS's. Are those fits really viable?

Realistically, I will take any advice on a Varg fit here... I don't want to lose my baby.
Flakey Foont
#2 - 2011-09-13 21:36:11 UTC
Battleclinic seems to be pretty weak. Better stuff in the EVE forums if you need help. After a while you know how to fit ships anyway. (Hopefully)
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-09-13 21:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
First I'd like to apologize for the sniping i'm about to do.

Koranoth wrote:
So I tried fitting a ship very similar, but only got about a minute thirty or so.


Similar =/= same.


Quote:
So I plugged the fit into EFT, and added all level 5 skills. Even EFT says it shouldn't last past two minutes cap wise.


Exactly which fit are you referring to here? Your "similar" fit or the exact fit from the BC link?

Quote:
There are other fits like that on Battleclinic that claim to have over 4 minutes of cap, but so far, none of them get past two minutes according to EFT.


BC whores like to omit critical information (by choice or by rationale of 'durrr ever1 noes u dew/faktore this/that/teh other intwo it').


Post your findings in their BC loadout's thread and awai either the missing link, or even compliment the post with a -1 until a prper resolution is provided.
Koranoth
Mabo Land Rights
#4 - 2011-09-13 22:00:51 UTC
When I say similar, I mean even more Cap stable, rather than fitting T2, I fit officer for more cap efficiency.

And yes, I plugged the exact fit from BC to EFT.

I guess I will try to get some answers, but the ones I looked at had only +1s and no -1s.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-13 22:37:08 UTC
Do you realize that there are 2 different types of shield boosters? There is the Gist line, which has vastly reduced cap useage, and the Pith line, which has greatly increased boosting power. If you try all lvl 5's and you use the exact same booster (note, that particular booster, not a random officer one) you will probably end up with the 4 min or so cap claimed by that battleclinic fit. Its probable that you grabbed "an officer booster" figuring that "hey, its officer, it has to be better, right?" and ended up looking at one that follows the Pith style of boosting and not the Gist style of boosting.

-Arazel
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-09-13 22:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
My EFT says 3m 53s so the info is actually true, you probably picked the wrong booster or got a bug in EFT.

Med booster looks fine to me, I fly my Pala with a med repper and 2 AN EANMs for most L4 with out much issues.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2011-09-14 01:11:51 UTC
Yeah, I'm showing nearly 4 minutes on that one and nearly 5 without the tractors/salvager.

And yes, a Pithum A-type booster is enough, especially with a boost amp. There's a good reason those buggers are so spendy.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#8 - 2011-09-14 05:13:07 UTC
As said, the exact shield booster is very important. It's a Gist C-type, those have far less cap usage than t2 or the Pith boosters (and most officer). The trade off is no real gain in boost power over t2. They are popular in pve for that reason. The Pith types and I believe most of the officers as well have increased or equal cap usage to t2, but vastly improved boost amount. You could go the pith route of course and simply pulse it when needed. In terms of how much they rep for any given cap amount, they should be about the same.

I used a vargur with a pith x-type for a while for lvl5's. I occasionally ran a convenient lvl4 with it too, never had to pop a cap booster 800 charge to tank the lvl4's with it and the cap booster was my only cap recharge mod. Of course, it did have a truly absurd tank, even by lvl5 standards.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Puss in Boots
Naked Moon Industries
#9 - 2011-09-14 16:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Puss in Boots
Koranoth wrote:
When I say similar, I mean even more Cap stable, rather than fitting T2, I fit officer for more cap efficiency.

And yes, I plugged the exact fit from BC to EFT.

I guess I will try to get some answers, but the ones I looked at had only +1s and no -1s.


Pro tech tip, post the fit you are calling similar or no one will care. I can tell by your avatar that you are currently training Advanced Shame to 4.
Valeroth Kyarmentari
Verdant Rampart
#10 - 2011-09-14 16:34:18 UTC
I run an XL booster on my Varg, and I never run out of cap. I can run it continously for 5m if AB and tractors are not running. I've timed it. I am however using a Gith type XL Booster. I could probably get by without it, but it makes things more relaxing.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#11 - 2011-09-14 18:08:48 UTC
I've run level 4 missions with an active-tanked Nighthawk with a single C-class medium booster (the kind that gives more boost, not the kind that's more cap-efficient) and one T2 Shield Boost Amplifier, and it's plenty of tank (with uber skillz) except if you trigger everyone in Attack of the Drones (and you may have to warp out of the AE bonus room - once).

The reason I stopped using that ship was that the Nighthawk simply can not have enough gank.

But get your resists up high, and then a single small or medium high-meta shield booster is amazingly good. Well, I think my low sig helped the small booster a bit. On a sig-swelling battleship you'd probably need a medium.
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-09-14 18:25:47 UTC
why do you need 4 mins of cap on a XL boosting marauder 30 seconds is more than enough
rusty532
Aiding and Abetting
#13 - 2011-09-14 19:03:38 UTC
If you really need more than 1 min of sustained XL boosting, your doing it wrong. They were never meant to permarun, rather 'flashing' every now and then to rep damage taken. Train with a maelstrom if you can't handle the minute multitasking required. The damage output of a Vargur should mitigate incoming dps and you should only be running it consecutively during the first few minutes of a new room.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#14 - 2011-09-15 05:41:53 UTC
XL boosters are for burst tanking as mentioned.

I wouldn't use Battleclinic for competent fits.

My Vargur was fitted with the following:


[Vargur, easy mode]
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5

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fogbird
SmokingGuns Corp
#15 - 2011-09-15 09:34:38 UTC
if you have put that exact fit into eft and received only 1min cap, something is wrong with your eft or the skills aren't set to 5.


Lady Spank wrote:
XL boosters are for burst tanking as mentioned.

I wouldn't use Battleclinic for competent fits.

My Vargur was fitted with the following:

[Vargur, easy mode]
too much tank, too little gank



lady, while i agree that bc isnt the best place to get your fits from, it delivers on the cookie cutter fits perfectly well, if you have an understanding for fitting and know what to look for. so i dont really get the hate for it (except if you refer to the comments in the fitting section, that are mainly full of ****).

in fact seeing your fit, you should better have checked bc in this case.

cheers!
thoth rothschild
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-15 10:00:06 UTC
Maybe this can help...

Implants:

CC8
Cr8


this might explain the 2 minutes.
none770
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2011-09-15 11:49:31 UTC
maybe this will help more
YOU DONT HAVE TO BE CAP STABLE YOU NEWB JESUS YOUR DPS IS YOUR TANK

thanks
Flakey Foont
#18 - 2011-09-15 15:29:42 UTC
none770 wrote:
maybe this will help more
YOU DONT HAVE TO BE CAP STABLE YOU NEWB JESUS YOUR DPS IS YOUR TANK

thanks



This^^

All newbs or folks that buy toons think cap stable is the goal. It isn't.
Othran
Route One
#19 - 2011-09-15 15:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
BC is full of EFT warriors who pimp up imaginary ships. Most have no experience at all of flying said ships. Relying on BC faction fits is fail.

What's epic fail is changing a BC fit and then coming here to whinge it doesn't work like the fit you changed.

Well done for the stupidest thread of the forums so far Big smile
Puss in Boots
Naked Moon Industries
#20 - 2011-09-15 15:52:11 UTC
fogbird wrote:
if you have put that exact fit into eft and received only 1min cap, something is wrong with your eft or the skills aren't set to 5.


Lady Spank wrote:
XL boosters are for burst tanking as mentioned.

I wouldn't use Battleclinic for competent fits.

My Vargur was fitted with the following:

[Vargur, easy mode]
too much tank, too little gank



lady, while i agree that bc isnt the best place to get your fits from, it delivers on the cookie cutter fits perfectly well, if you have an understanding for fitting and know what to look for. so i dont really get the hate for it (except if you refer to the comments in the fitting section, that are mainly full of ****).

in fact seeing your fit, you should better have checked bc in this case.

cheers!


What's wrong with that fit? Too many fit snobs on this forum with out giving info on how to make it better. Stop posting.
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