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suspect weapons timer.
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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-03-10 19:01:36 UTC
The problem is you're on top of the station. Move away from the station, problem solved.
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#22 - 2015-03-10 20:23:04 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
thatonepersone wrote:
0 risk

thatonepersone wrote:
zero risk.

The risk is that you might shoot them.

If you choose to.


The problem is that you can't shoot them because they can just dock up as soon as they scoop the loot.

So far nobody has given a reason why it's a bad idea other than "htfu" and "I don't like being station camped".
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#23 - 2015-03-10 20:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
thatonepersone wrote:

So far nobody has given a reason why it's a bad idea other than "htfu" and "I don't like being station camped".


Nobody has yet given a reason why it's a good idea either.
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#24 - 2015-03-10 20:53:53 UTC  |  Edited by: thatonepersone
It's a good idea because you shouldn't be able to loot other people's wrecks risk free. That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck. I have already stated this, and you seemed to think your distaste for station campers was a reason not to implement a weapons timer.
Paranoid Loyd
#25 - 2015-03-10 20:58:37 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck.
Sure you can, you just have to have the wreck open before you initiate warp. You can wait till the last tick to scoop it.

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Valkin Mordirc
#26 - 2015-03-10 21:01:26 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
It's a good idea because you shouldn't be able to loot other people's wrecks risk free. That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck.



It isn't the issue. Yes people can steal loot. Is it annoying. Sure. Is it a problem. No. People all ready go suspect. That should be enough, they are not causing aggression so the suspect timer is fair.

Zero Risk although it's not. In Deadly Fingertips, (Who are pretty heavy on trade hubs) Will bump people away, Or draw the fight away from station. So looters can't get it to as easily.

You can also gate camp, or move to a trade hub other then Jita. Dodixie has a rather small docking ring so looters are not much of an issue. Amarr as well. *shrugs*


Regarless, Weapon timers are for aggression. 
#DeleteTheWeak
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#27 - 2015-03-10 21:02:39 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
thatonepersone wrote:
That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck.
Sure you can, you just have to have the wreck open before you initiate warp. You can wait till the last tick to scoop it.


No, you can not warp and then scoop the loot. You seem to already know this so I don't know why you said "sure you can". Either way, at least if they are going to warp away you can pre-lock them and spam the scram modal until they go suspect, then kill them.
Paranoid Loyd
#28 - 2015-03-10 21:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
thatonepersone wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
thatonepersone wrote:
That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck.
Sure you can, you just have to have the wreck open before you initiate warp. You can wait till the last tick to scoop it.


No, you can not warp and then scoop the loot. You seem to already know this so I don't know why you said "sure you can". Either way, at least if they are going to warp away you can pre-lock them and spam the scram modal until they go suspect, then kill them.

I do it on a daily basis, you don't have to believe me, but I am correct.

Seems you need to learn the mechanics a little better before you comment on how they work.

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thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#29 - 2015-03-10 21:12:51 UTC
I know you did. And I said warp and then loot. As in loot the wreck while you are in warp and unlock able.
Paranoid Loyd
#30 - 2015-03-10 21:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
No, you said hit the warp button, that is completely different than being able to scoop while you are in warp.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#31 - 2015-03-11 00:08:26 UTC
I didnt think i would need explain the process in more detail seeing as there was only one change ccp had made relating to my statement. You get the idea though.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#32 - 2015-03-11 03:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
I'll take the same stance here that I took in the previous thread on transferring stolen loot to a neutral transport. The inheritance of a suspect timer in these instances is designed around adding risk to an action taken by a player. Anything that expels the entirety of that risk is broken and should be looked at. Instant docking after loot scooping falls into that category.

I would exclude kill right activation from the above argument for two reasons. First it is not an action taken by the offending player. Second the kill right still remains available after the fact.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-06-05 00:23:49 UTC
look jita loot ninja

they fit industrial or gnosis and just sit on looting point
play chat or other jop without activity

real brainless bot play, they have only regional given fast ping (almost suspect looter living near europe)

give them some survival activity like weapon timer
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#34 - 2015-06-05 02:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Christopher Mabata
If i steal a blue mod from a wreck, i get flagged for it, there were no weapons involved unless i shot the wreck or someone else.

Non Sequitur detected.

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