EVE General Discussion

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Some clarification

I do get the "rush" and when I go out and PVP, I want a challenge. I look down upon those that pad their kill boards with industrial and miner kills, i.e. "easy slaughter" and I make every effort to prevent them from having fun their fun twisted little thrill off me.



Update:

The thread has turned to the matter of ganking from about pages 4-6.

"I think he has a valid point. Very few will use D-scan. It is bad enough mining but pushing one button over and over again is just ludicrous. They simply absorb the cost of lost ships into their profit analysis.

You are shooting rocks, they just look like ships and you aren't doing it for profit, the wrecks and drops of a mining ships is minimal. You do it to grief, because you want a reaction, you want your petty little life to reach out and have some significance.

*Edit You is plural and general in this context."

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IF this is about war declarations and the mechanics involved and if it involves station games and such, here are some of the things I would do in response.

Unless I get in a PVP ship and a fleet then go out looking for PVP, my objective is to deny them a kill, I don't care about the wrecks, the ore or anything else as long as I know they are frustrated and bored, I am happy.
If they take away the ability to dock or find a way to force me to depart from the station, I will simply play an alternative character, account or game.
I would even log a trial account on my other machine or hire a newbie to hang around and destroy my ship rather than let them have the kill. Simply offline all module and be gone before they could finish warping in.

I D-scan frequently, I put down two safe points to have on approach for warp, et cetera.

Usually, I dock up, go semi-AFK, doing things on my other screen, say some stuff in Local to taunt them and waste as much of their time as possible.
I don't call out for help, I don't escalate it, I don't give them the satisfaction of anything they may want.







I don't know what the running newbies over feels like. I shot some PVE ratter guy in a Tengu and even though I tanked him in a Cyclone, I felt a bit guilty. He had none of the PVP gear, I could have warped off at any time, he had no hope of beating the four of us. He would have been dead even if there was help a warp away.
Very unsatisfying.

The rush I get is when we jump through a gate and the other fleet is waiting, they have a few more pilots that are in better ships, I get made primary target and I just know that one mistake and I will probably pop. Seeing your ship going into structure, seeing theirs going too, then somehow they blow up and there is just that little difference to the damage done to you that you can rep back up. That breaking point where one fleet can win or lose. That is good.

Yeah that is standard operating procedure for a war dec, be hard changing them much if people refuse to be a part of them when they happen.

Most likely CCP will do a bit of (rude place) squeezing to make us hi seccers want to be war decced or glad we were able to recieve the privilege of being war decced.

Like you said about hiding in station, CCP increased PI taxes so you have to use pocos and fight for them, now they read what you posted and make you pay station taxes while being in one during a war dec. Course could not log the whole week, but would be tough to deal with anyhow. They added taxes to npc corp to make up for evading war decs, who knows what else they could do.

They seem to be altering your behavior nicely though. Their failing is a lack of patience, and it results in your satisfaction. If they had more, your tactics would lead to them changing your pattern of behavior indefinitely. That in itself would be achieving a goal, if said goal was more then just padding a killboard.


Gawd, I hope they make wardecs more complex so stuff like that actually matters.

I'm sorry I just...

You just don't grasp how utterly supreme victory that is. How can you think that you have bestowed any kind of F.U. to them in the process of doing something like that? Maybe it's crack?

I don't mean to be argumentative, but CCP really does not care what one individual does in order to EMO rage their way out of PVP in a PVP based universe.



As for the rest... yes they are altering your pattern of behavior if they are changing the way that your current character interacts with the rest of the universe. Unless ofc all of your toons have perfectly similar skill sets, and your present toon does not bring anything significant to the larger picture. In which case it would be a crap toon.



But none of this really matters, because brats who wardec do not have such patience. BRB I need food.

Daaaamn...we've got ourselves a true rebel in our forumz!

I do fight, dig through some kill mails and you will see that we recently blew up a POS of someone that got one of ours. I have suicide ganked, with an alt, some people that got me, I waited around, playing on one screen and had the alt up on the other until they left the station, then blew them up before they could turn their modules on.
I am vengeful. I also tell some friends who to target when they are looking for someone to kill. I don't just have a list of lost mining barges and 0 kills. However, I have only one pod kill because I scrambled it, haven't and won't do it since. I also have no ships that can't fight back. Annoys my CEO when I refuse to fire or let them get away.

My thoughts on wars...

- War decs are broken at the moment
- The whole "dec shield" waiver is just a joke.
- Players existing forever in NPC corps is boring and lame
- Combat / war should be one of the many aspects all players must deal with in one way or other
- Players in a war should not *have* to fight; there should be other options available to them
- Players declaring a war should not have a simple route to easy fights.
- War should not be limited to just a corporation vs another (or alliance).
- Payments to CONCORD for the war should be counter-able by the receiver of the war but escallatable by the declarer.
- War in hi-sec should be purposeful and challenging for both parties.
- War should not be a virtual D-Day landing for new and inexperienced players

"War should not be a virtual D-Day landing for new and inexperienced players"


I was 6 weeks old and head of a 40 man corp all my age. We were wardeced by a corp of players who were 3-7 years old. It lasted for 5 weeks.


It competely changed the entire way i play this game.

Mandatory movement of players in starter corps into their own (self named) war-decable corporation after they reach 3 months of age. Removal of other NPC player corporations, players join new corps directly from their old one. If the CEO boots them they get moved back into their own 1-man self-named corp. No player should be able to evade PvP for any substantial amount of time without expending actual effort.