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My take on EvE so far.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-03-10 19:44:02 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

Paranoia is a theme in the game. There is a saying in EVE; "Trust is the most valued commodity."


/me nods...


Yep. And friendship is the best ship in EVE.



EVE's golden rules:


1. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose (this includes: Ship, fitted modules, anything in the cargohold). It also doesn't only mean in monetary system, but also emotionally.

2. Don't trust anybody. Scamming, theft, extorsion etc. are all legal in EVE. Be smart, fly smart and never put all your eggs into 1 basket. Sure, you can put limited trust into someone or corp, but ALWAYS keep a fail safe option open in case things do go south.

3a. NEVER ever pay anybody to get into a corp.
3b. NEVER ever give your assets to anybody to have them shipped for free (Always use a collateral on a courier contract).

*3a and 3b are known recruitment scams that are both perfectly legal, in both cases you lost your ISK or assets*

4. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. (if it ain't obvious why, it's a good scam that you haven't figured out yet).

5. NEVER use the trade window function, unless it is with your alts (or somoene you can walk over to and kick in the private region). For all other direct player to player trading, use the contract system.

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Richard Zimmerman
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-03-10 19:44:26 UTC
I agree with the OP. The new player experience has been brutal for me so far as well. I don't plan on staying in the corp I'm in much longer - agreed they should have some kind of moderation or even force people out of the one I'm in after so long.

You shouldn't be allowed to be a 'career student'

I don't have the same sense of quitting or I'm done but it's been hard to find someone to talk to about the game. There's so many nuances and mechanics and many guides are years old already. (not sure if still current)
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2015-03-10 19:46:53 UTC
Richard Zimmerman wrote:
I agree with the OP. The new player experience has been brutal for me so far as well. I don't plan on staying in the corp I'm in much longer - agreed they should have some kind of moderation or even force people out of the one I'm in after so long.

You shouldn't be allowed to be a 'career student'

I don't have the same sense of quitting or I'm done but it's been hard to find someone to talk to about the game. There's so many nuances and mechanics and many guides are years old already. (not sure if still current)


Once again... this is not really a corp. It is an NPC Corp. Filled by Idiots most of the time.

Moderating it 24/7 is just not feasible. You can petition people posting inappropriate stuff but that is as far as it will go.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-03-10 19:49:07 UTC
NightCrawler 85's guide on how to find a corp that suits you:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331341&find=unread


Shamelessly also plugs in Shah's "How did you veterans start" thread as that way the OP can read about the old guys and their struggles:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331515&find=unread

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Syrilian
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-03-10 19:49:32 UTC
Richard Zimmerman wrote:


You shouldn't be allowed to be a 'career student'




Welcome to Eve. Now I am new so I am not going to pretend that I know alot about EVE, but you will always be a "career student". You will always be learning something. There will always be a bigger fish.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-03-10 19:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Richard Zimmerman wrote:
I agree with the OP. The new player experience has been brutal for me so far as well. I don't plan on staying in the corp I'm in much longer - agreed they should have some kind of moderation or even force people out of the one I'm in after so long.

You shouldn't be allowed to be a 'career student'

I don't have the same sense of quitting or I'm done but it's been hard to find someone to talk to about the game. There's so many nuances and mechanics and many guides are years old already. (not sure if still current)


Open the chat window, there are a good bunch of channels listed you can join. Some more active then others.

EVE Radio for instance is listed under media, and is quite active.

EVE Uni's channel is also a nice place just to meet people.

Among many many other channels.



Sorry, but meeting people is the easiest thing in EVE, just start up a convo in local (unless you live in Jita of course).
Hell, the first ever person I recruited, I found him cause we started talking in local and from there he eventually joined the corp I was in. We eventually both rose to power as EU timezone directors and we are still in contact, long after or ways seperated.




p.s.

NPC corps don't count as corps. They are mearly a place to dump all the people who:

* Just started
* Are dodging that wardec
* Are in between corps
* Don't want to be in a corp / want to be vulnerable to wardecs that come with player corps.


So, basically, there is no cohesion between those people. They are mainly all solo players flying under the same flag.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-03-10 19:57:25 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
NPC corps don't count as corps. They are mearly a place to dump all the people who:

* Just started
* Are dodging that wardec
* Are in between corps
* Don't want to be in a corp / want to be vulnerable to wardecs that come with player corps.
You forgot anonymous forum alts for comedy purposes, trolling and shitposting, or any combination thereof.

ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"

NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-03-10 20:08:14 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
NPC corps don't count as corps. They are mearly a place to dump all the people who:

* Just started
* Are dodging that wardec
* Are in between corps
* Don't want to be in a corp / want to be vulnerable to wardecs that come with player corps.
You forgot anonymous forum alts for comedy purposes, trolling and shitposting, or any combination thereof.


Those never log in in the first place, so you will never see them in corp chat.

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Sophie Mahler
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-03-10 20:47:43 UTC
VNCX wrote:
Hello all, i am going to be blunt as this, is just horrible for me at the moment.

I started EvE Online a few days ago. For me, this has been a major eye opener. I realised straight away the tutorial was over complicated, including things that i really did not need to know at this point in the game. The career agents are drawn out and require more time to finish with no real rewards in the scheme of the market of this game.


Alright, I'm also a new player, let me tell you, the tutorials are not that bad, they give you a good amount of ISKs to get started (5 - 10 mil range) and you get in touch with the fundamentals of eve gameplay. Everything you learned during the tutorial will be useful later on.

You will soon realize that they barely grazed the surface with the tutorials, the game is infinitely more complex than what is shown during the tutorials, but they're definitely very good basics.


VNCX wrote:
I also realised that the "Rookie Help" is simply full of people with ego's who spend more time arguing with each other than helping people like myself with questions.


I'd tend to agree with that, but the forum has proven to be very helpful

VNCX wrote:

The corporation chat i joined when i joined EvE Online CLEARLY needs to be monitored by a Dev or GM. The sheer ego and abuse these players project towards each other is disgusting. Not to mention that every new player to EvE is greeted as a "spy" or an "informant". This is unacceptable. I was called an alt no less than three times and out right accused of being a "informant in the making". They litrally have made me feel so unwelcome i seriously considered not subbing up to EvE.


This is a corporation of immature people, don't hang out with people like that, in game or in real life.
Sophie Mahler
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-03-10 20:53:17 UTC
VNCX wrote:
I then joined a corporation after searching for 12 hours or so for a corporation as i wanted to join a small corporation to learn more 1 on 1. But i was rejected by no less than 14 CEOS & officers for being "to new" or "an obvious spy alt".


I believe you're going a little fast with the "joining a corporation" thing, first figure out what you like in the game, train some skills, learn said activity, THEN get in touch with people who will help you out.

For example, I like exploration with my main (this is my alt's account, yea, I already have 2 accounts :D ) I posted on the forum, got contacted with very nice people who helped me out, I even got offered a fully fitted cruiser and tons of great advice.

VNCX wrote:
My disgust for EvE then went up even further when the corporation i joined, was war decked and then the CEO told all of the corp to leave as he was disbanding the corporation.


Again, you should leave the corporation stuff alone for now, participate in forums, get in touch with good players who are willing to help you out without looking down on you. You wanted to go too fast, too early.

VNCX wrote:
I have subbed to EvE Online. But, unless the situation improves, i will not resube after the month. New players to EvE are treated like scum, distrusted, treated with contempt and harshness. I have played MANY MMOS in my time, in no MMo have i ever been treated so horribly within the first 4 days of the game.


I believe you were treated this way because of how you approach eve, you barely know what this game is about (neither do I, to be perfectly honest) and you're already talking about joining corps, fresh out of the tutorials.

VNCX wrote:
CCP clearly needs to do more to protect new players, monitor the new player corporation chats and help them more. Because it would seem the "paranoid" behaviour of every CEO in this game, is to treat any player under 5million skill points as an "obvious alt".


This isn't a game where the devs take you by the hand and lead the way, this is a jungle, don't expect anyone to be friendly with you, but appreciate those who are. You need a more positive attitude, you have seen NOTHING of Eve (that much I know) yet you say CCP needs to do things different, because it's not to YOUR liking.
You should consider that you may have gone the wrong way about this game rather than saying that the game is somewhat bad or not well managed.

Obviously, this is going on for more than a decade, with thousands of players connecting everyday, from the 1 day rookie up to the 10 years veteran, most of us are enjoying ourselves. So it is possible for you to also enjoy yourself, but you have to be willing to question yourself before you question the game.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-03-10 20:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
And..there you go Sophie, your first like.


OP, after reading your post again, I agree with Sophie on a lot of things.


Mainly:

A. You are trying to run the 100m faster than Bolt can, while you hardly know how to crawl.

B. Your attitude (I don't need the tutorials, I know it - guess what, after 5 years, I still have to look up things or learn how some things work) will most likely be the reason you get rejected by corps

A proper attitude will do more for you then just SP. It can open doors you wouldn't imagined to be able to open at all (this does NOT include "THE door").

A bad attitude will on the other hand close and bolt-lock a door that you would have though would be open.

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Paranoid Loyd
#32 - 2015-03-10 21:01:56 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
So, I'm not weird at all when I raged when my spreadsheet on my trader was showing a 0.00325% difference with EVE figures.
You just need to push the right button a few times to fix it.Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Zaph Ena
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-03-10 21:42:21 UTC
I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in here OP, as I think we have experienced similar things.

I have been playing Eve since 2006/2007. The longest span of time I played during those 9 years was 4-6 months. I have been in about 20 Corps total since that time, and each time I come back to the game I find a different Corp who is doing something different within the game.

Here's the problem, there are thousands and thousands and thousands.........thousands of Corps out there. The average # of Members in all of those Corps is less than 10. You have the established Corps and you have the new Corps. Basically, if I had to guess, I would say 7/8 out of 10 Corps that are created either fail, or are private Corps.

Finding a good Corp in this game is extremely difficult, but not impossible. It takes time, and it takes effort. This game is not for the feint of heart, it's brutal, and completely and utterly unforgiving.

Go look at Reddit, or search Google for Eve Scams, people have lost thousands and thousands of RL $ worth of items in game, because "spies" come into their Corp and reek havoc. People come up with scams, and ponzi schemes, etc.

As a New player, you're better off(in my opinion), figuring out a general idea of WHAT you want to do in Eve. Once you identify what you want to try, use the Forums, and/or "Recruitment" channel, and find a Corp that has been around for at least a few months, has a decent amount of Members, and are "New-Pilot Friendly".

Almost all of the Corps out there will tell you whether or not they are "New-Pilot Friendly", and almost all Corps will require an API/Voice Chat interview.

Plain and simple, this game isn't going to be like WoW, or other fairy-tale MMO's where you can just join guilds at random and be happy. You have to put effort, and commitment into this game. Also patience.

You may be better off going somewhere like Eve-University to get some more learning, but it won't be 1 on 1. Also use the "Help" channel.

This game will never be nice to you, and most times will be the opposite. If you cannot handle being trolled, picked on, sworn at, etc. This game is not for you. This game shows what society would be like without real laws. People are assholes, and love making others unhappy and cry.

For me, with most things in Eve, you get what you put in, as a reward. I have spent weeks or even months looking for the right Corp before. You just have to try, instead of expecting everything to be catered to you. Unfortunately, I don't think CCP cares about New Players. 2/3 out of 10 New Players last more than a week in Eve.

Coming into Eve expecting ANYTHING to be even remotely similar to other games, especially MMO's, is a huge mistake. This game is an entirely different animal. That being said, with the time, patience, and effort mentioned above, this game can be the greatest thing you've ever experienced. There's a reason so many Pilots come back every 3-8 months. The game gives an itch to a lot of us that nothing can ever replace. The game is fantastic, it has it's flaws like everything else. You just have to be patient.

TL;DR: Eve is not a nice place, but with effort, patience, and developing a "thicker skin", it can become your new home.
Barsam Akhtar
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-03-10 21:50:17 UTC
Hi OP,

Sorry to hear about the terrible experience you've had during your first few days in the game.

I'm a new player myself and I'd like to share what I considered to be my defining experience of EVE so far.

I'd recently finished the tutorials and had been mission-running as I'd read that it was a fairly safe and reliable way of earning ISK, as well as training combat skills in case I was interested in getting into PVP at a later time.

Having some extra ISK on hand, I bought a cheap, disposable Exploration frigate and promptly found myself in a wormhole.

Naturally, as a complete beginner, I failed to bookmark the location of the wormhole that brought me there and also didn't register the presence of other players in the system as anything to be wary of.

Some quick probing found me a Relic Site that was clear of NPCs with a fellow player scooting around in another non-combat fitted exploration frigate.

What I know now and should have known then is that he was part of a Corporation that was conducting operations in the wormhole. His corpmates and cleared the area, and he was gathering the loot.

Of course, I decided to get in on the looting.

When I had scooped up about half of the loot, I then warped off to a celestial object to figure out how to get back to known space, and was promptly blown up by his corpmate before I even realized I was being attacked.

It was my first ever death at the hands of another player, and he sent me a message claiming that I had been killed to appease their god and that my frozen corpse would be displayed over the entrance as a warning to others.

It was just roleplaying of course, and after I laughed it off and fired back a reply promising to be more careful next time, he dropped the act and told me what had happened, why it did, and what I could have done to prevent it.

He even reimbursed me for my ship and wished me better luck next time.

Long story short, never lose sight of the fact that this is a game and that everyone is playing it for fun just like you.

You might just be surprised at the friends you make.

Regards,
Barsam Akhtar
Paranoid Loyd
#35 - 2015-03-10 22:10:38 UTC
^ Winning eve

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-03-10 22:27:22 UTC
So there is a thing in Eve where if you are a noob friendly corp especially a high sec based new player friendly corp you are basically putting up a sign that says "please apply with your no skill alt and war dec me". New player friendly corps are war dec magnets so it is only wise of them to be suspicious of you. That being said suspicion is no reason to treat some one poorly.

I wind up linking this a lot but he did a good job of summing up Eve and he's a dev so reading that CCP Falcon quote can give you not only a good idea of what eve is about but an immediate understand that it is as intended.

Eve is not for the faint of heart nor the thin skinned. If you think that CCP should make mechanics to protect your feelings then you are playing the wrong game. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you find what you are looking for because clearly eve is not it.

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William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-03-10 22:32:44 UTC
Never read rookie help
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2015-03-11 00:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Barsam Akhtar wrote:
he sent me a message claiming that I had been killed to appease their god and that my frozen corpse would be displayed over the entrance as a warning to others.
I see you've already met with the followers of Bob.

The usual way of getting out of a wormhole when you've forgotten to bookmark the entrance is to self destruct your ship and take the pod express. Shouting out in local also occasionally works , if it's seen somebody will be along shortly after to "take care" of your ship and pod for you.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#39 - 2015-03-11 00:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Barsam Akhtar wrote:
he sent me a message claiming that I had been killed to appease their god and that my frozen corpse would be displayed over the entrance as a warning to others.
I see you've already met with the followers of Bob.

The usual way of getting out of a wormhole when you've forgotten to bookmark the entrance is to self destruct your ship and take the pod express. Shouting out in local also occasionally works , if it's seen somebody will be along shortly after to "take care" of your ship and pod for you.

Some people just rename their ship, leave a humorous bookmark in the cargo, eject, and self-destruct their pod, leaving the ship as treasure to be found. You don't get the insurance this way though.

I self-destructed a Rorqual when we moved out of a C2.
Memphis Baas
#40 - 2015-03-11 00:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Set your autopilot to Jita and hang around the 4-4 station for about 30 minutes to complete your new player EVE experience. Make sure you read the local channel conversations.

You're suggesting softening the new player experience, but in honesty it shows you the game in its worst form. It's like the WoW Barrens Chat, or SWTOR Fleet Station cantina area, or whatever the equivalent is in other MMO's. Ultimately, we're here to PVP, not watch anyone dance on a mailbox. Do you enjoy this kind of activity, or not?

Your experiences can improve IMMENSELY based on which friends you make. And like in any other MMO game, the hardest thing is finding a good group of friends. You can see by the responses in this thread that decent people exist, and to tell you a secret we're the majority in-game.

I'll also recommend trying to join one of the newbie-oriented groups listed above, though they get thousands of applicants daily. As an example, Eve University has a nice helpful website full of good advice for new players, and you can see the difference between their tone and the various trolls you've met in the crappy chat channels you've been reading. Definitely look at their Class Library and read their tutorials on the ships and game mechanics.
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