EVE New Citizens Q&A

Uhm , that is how recruits are treated in general , not just new players .

Sorry you haven't had a great experience yet. I find the constant distrust and 'HTFU' attitudes tiresome, overdone and immature sometimes, as if everyone is unable to socially connect with other humans.

I suggest you continue looking as there are some great corps out there who take in newbies - maybe try Eve University, or Brave Newbies

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And OP, hang in there, because underneath al the harshness and bravado, this is actually a very good game with in it's heart an even better community.

The things you mentioned are quite common, I wouldn't take them personally. In fact, it is this aspect that makes Eve online that much more like real life where people can also be cutthroat.

I suggest you watch this video by the Devs on their philosophy towards new players and their feelings.

Join one of the noob friendly corps, brave newbies, eve uni, etc. They will help you learn the ropes. Rookie help is good, you have to ignore the random banter and look for your answer.

No gm's should not monitor corp chat. if you don;t like what you corp says right click and quit the corp. There are prolly 1000000 + corps, find one that fits you better.

When you have a crappy job, do you wine to the cops to come monitor it? or do you get fed up and find a new one? Eve is like real life, use that thinking and you will do fine

Since I have not recently received my check from CCP for "new player retainment" I bid you farewell. Elf games that way.

The rewards are there to teach you and get you started... not give you the ability to be "competitive" on the market.
If the rookie mission rewards gave you any significant purchasing power on the market then many players (even ones who do not need to run them) would... just because they are stupid easy (for anyone with experience).

As far as information goes... more is better. Some of it might not make sense NOW... but it will "click" later on.


This is because...
a. things are open-ended in this game, so there are LOTS of opinions on what is right and wrong.
b. everyone assumes THEY are right and everyone else is wrong.

This isn't a problem with the chats per se... this is a problem with people in general (in and out of game).

PLUS... most people who play EVE are detail-oriented freaks of nature (they are to nerds what nerds are to normal people).
Consequently... many people here will get hung up over a 0.4% detail that might not seem like much to you... but is HUGE when you are trying to do something "correctly."


Bear in mind that whatever egos you see in the Rookie Chat pale in comparison to those found in more organized player structures. You haven't seen anything until you hear a 40 year old man break down into a frothing mess of angst and profanity because some nameless person in a fleet pressed F1 rather than F2.
Here, in EVE, you have to appreciate and have a sense of humor regarding how emotional people can be over asinine things.

With the alt, spy, and informant thing...
- it is a joke used by more experienced players regarding anyone new... either to the game or to any particular organization (the reason is in the next point)
- veteran players will often create new characters, on new accounts for the SOLE PURPOSE of infiltrating established corporations... either to spy for their own organization, wreak havoc and dissent among the ranks, steal common assets, or assassinate other players. There is no way to prevent this.
And yes, this is perfectly legal according to the DEVs.



FYI... more experienced and/or "elite" corps won't always take on newbies because training someone 1 on 1 is time consuming, does not always "bear fruit," and is risky (due to spies, infiltrators)

The trick is that you have to CONVINCE them that you are worth their time and the risk you may open them up to. A good mentality goes far with this (bloodthirsty yet relaxed for PvP corps... inquisitive and patient for more Industry-PvE centric corps).


You joined a bad corporation. Don't let it get you down. It happens.


VNCX wrote:
CCP clearly needs to do more to protect new players, monitor the new player corporation chats and help them more. Because it would seem the "paranoid" behaviour of every CEO in this game, is to treat any player under 5million skill points as an "obvious alt".


Paranoia is a theme in the game. There is a saying in EVE; "Trust is the most valued commodity."
There is not much you can do to change this without gutting most of the gameplay options throughout the rest of the game... which is not something many people would like as it would fundamentally alter the game's character at its core (see: "a dark, gritty, and harsh universe").

As for "protecting" new players... things were MUCH worse when I started. At least you don't have people camping and blowing up newbies in the rookie system for giggles (though, they did give away money quite often if you were a good sport about it).

If mere words, conduct, complicated mechanics, and being denied opportunities really bother you... you will definitely have trouble later on in the game where things get MUCH more profane, angsty, complicated, and competitive.
Don't take it personally. Not every game is suited for every player.

So, I'm not weird at all when I raged when my spreadsheet on my trader was showing a 0.00325% difference with EVE figures.

Thanks Shah

New guys have it easy compared what I had when I first started.

It was basically, here is a ship, now F-OFF.

While true, EVE Tutorial is by no means the best it is or surely as good as it can be to assist players in understanding the basic mechanics that drive EVE. Once you leave the Tutorial you quickly realize that their is a whole new game to learn.

As for NPC Corps chats. You will find two people in those. Real newbies like yourself, or entitled buffoons that prefer NPC corps pretending to know what they are talking about. Unless the post offensive material you will not have a GM intervene. That is just EVE reality.

As for Rookie chat, you will find 3 types of people in there. A real rookie like yourself asking questions, the ISD that happens to be online answering them and the alt char that serves no purpose other than trolling while he is in the channel for 30 days. But yeah, that channel is not easy to get answer from since there are so many asking questions.

On some other things. 90% of corps are shyte. Run by incompetent people that had no business running a corp with a group of people in the first place. They serve no purpose other than being punching bags for people like me. And also, drop the whole OMG I am newbie thing. When you lay that part on thick most people will think your an alt or a spy.

Corps with the 5mil minimum SP. It is in place to keep the chancers away, they will accept people with less SP who show commitment to learning and progressing within the corp.

The infamous "here's your ship, there's a rat, try not to explode" tutorial, otherwise known as the "here's a rubiks cube with infinite sides, now go forth and fornicate with yourself" approach.

I remember it well, having tried Eve at least twice before it got its hooks into me when Apocrypha was released.