EVE General Discussion

Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money.

I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good.

I enjoy nullsec industry, mostly because producing in nullsec outposts is generally more secure than producing in a POS, with similar benefits. Yes the cost of entry is higher, you need a jump freighter, you need to be in a sov holding alliance, or on good terms with the locals and you need to know how to play the game and profit despite being in the position of 'prey' a lot of the time. But it is lucrative.

Freeports and Provibloc offer significant advantages to independent groups that are coordinated, dedicated and know how to run a tight ship when it comes to production. In space? I wouldn't know - I play in faction warfare for my pvp kick. But for large scale production on a large wallet, nullsec can't be beat if you have a good route and a plan to match.

Having to cooperate with others is a big attraction. Far from the stereotype of local smack and trolling, actual real negotiations between those with something to offer on both sides (usually fees and taxes from one and facilities form the other) are fruitful, largely respectful and i have had far more pleasant exchanges with the representatives that dwarf my little industrial operation than I have bad ones. The social game is very real in null, and though freeports mitigate the need to socialise, being able to offer services to locals and/or form friendships for mutual protection and production can be rewarding in more ways than mere profit.

It is possible that your kit might get locked in a station, or your home system sieged, but herein lies the benefit of an outpost. Your stuff can't be destroyed (yet). This makes an outpost a risky proposition ONLY when jumping in with unknowns in local. You can happily have your stock locked down and still have options. Firesell if you want to liquidate fast, or infiltrate and contract your goods out from inside the occupying camp if you want to play the long game (and have alts). This is far preferable to a POS, where the last you'll see of your gear is a kill-of-the-day tweet at your expense.

So, my key reasons for loving the hell out of null:

1. Bulk production with reasonable asset security
2. Dealing with the locals, pleasantness abounds despite the bad press
3. It really grounds you as to where you stand in the grand order of things, especially when talking to members of large alliances and comparing their day to day to your own. Plenty of room to learn and grow by seeing how the other side lives
4. Frontier life. It isn't the wild wild west anymore, but nullsec is lawless, even in NRDS zones. Peril can be exciting, and no plan is more rewarding than a well executed plan with an element of risk. Null gives you the tools to mitigate risk down to a bare minimum, but still gives your opponents the opportunity to inconvenience or outright deprive you of assets., at least for a time. Want to feel good? Plan. Failure to plan is planning to fail.

Tl;dr: Independent industrialist with facwar pvp alt loves null, thinks new changes will be interesting and rock the landscape, but life will be business as usual. Looking forwards to it all.

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which is money too

I totally believe you now

Right, my medical clone resides in highsec, though I make my ISK in null and also explode a lot of ships there. But you got the sore spot ... from the bottom of her heart Tipa is a pirate, having no blues, being nobody's servant, free to roam everywhere, and honoring purples. So there is a price ...

oh the high vs nullsec isk/hour bla incursion Argument. xD so Mr. incursion you do the 100m per hour solo? i thought so ^^

Fear not the afk cloakie! Fonzie's coming to the rescue!

He's going to remove local and make it all better. Well, actually, all he said was that it's a psychological issue, afk cloakie problem will be solved in a way ppl won't expect, and that afk cloakie is not a problem in whs, all in the same sentence.

So... think positive.

Well, a majority of the income from nullsec is moon goo. You can easily pull hundreds of billions a month with a network of towers and a few reaction farms.

And where does this ISK go? Ask your leaders. Sure, there's SRP and other "programs" like buybacks and such, but that's not the full story.

Can you go into more detail? This sounds interesting.

Please make sure to document said details for future reference.

I live in nullsec because I have fun there. Part of that is the people I choose to surround myself with. Part of it is the activities I choose to engage in.

If you're not having fun in null, then ffs go do something else.