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suspect weapons timer.

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thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#1 - 2015-03-09 20:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: thatonepersone
Put a 60s weapons timer on people who go suspect. People shouldn't be able to scoop somebody's loot and then dock up with zero risk.

Edit: You could call the timer something other than weapons timer and have it do the same thing, since some people are having a hard time with the name.

Edit: This guy pretty much says it all.

McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
...The inheritance of a suspect timer in these instances is designed around adding risk to an action taken by a player. Anything that expels the entirety of that risk is broken and should be looked at. Instant docking after loot scooping falls into that category....

Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#2 - 2015-03-09 20:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Marmite tears about station games.

Ironically delicious.

Did someone scoop the loot from a ship you killed while camping the undock and dock?

I feel so bad for you.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-03-09 20:11:34 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Marmite tears about station games.

Ironically delicious.

My sentiments exactly.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2015-03-09 21:18:53 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Put a 60s weapons timer on people who go suspect. People shouldn't be able to scoop somebody's loot and then dock up with zero risk.

Or, you could actually, you know, stop camping undocks, then you wouldn't have to worry about this happening to you. Personally, I think it's hilarious that you're crying about this.
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#5 - 2015-03-09 22:00:29 UTC
I have been thinking about posting this since before I joined marmite, and I have only just recently joined. I have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff. I'm guessing you guys aren't going to take this seriously though because you don't like marmite.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#6 - 2015-03-09 22:19:20 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
I have been thinking about posting this since before I joined marmite, and I have only just recently joined. I have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff. I'm guessing you guys aren't going to take this seriously though because you don't like marmite.


It's not really about Marmite in particular, you guys are just the most visible symptom.

It's mostly that highsec station camping is considered by most to be the absolute laziest, easiest to do, risk avoiding, third party using, least skill requiring form of PvP possible.

Basically the pond scum of the PvP world.

So when a station camper whines that someone stole his loot, it's really hard to muster up the ability to give a ****.
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#7 - 2015-03-09 23:04:42 UTC
Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2015-03-09 23:09:25 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this.


... he beat you to it
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#9 - 2015-03-09 23:10:01 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this.


Or I could consider the far more likely situation of station campers and people who want to alpha suicide gank industrials off the undock.

I give as much weight to your demands for weapon timers on people who loot your wrecks as I give the demands of mission runners who call for not letting anyone loot or ninja salvage their wrecks, or the highsec carebears who demand that they be exempt from wardecs or that wardecs be made 1 Bil isk base fees, or miners who demand suspect timers for bumpers.

Suck it up and deal with it.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#10 - 2015-03-10 01:36:06 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this.

Finish the fight with the loot overview open

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#11 - 2015-03-10 14:28:20 UTC
Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#12 - 2015-03-10 14:34:24 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?
The only problem is that you seem to be losing the game, in respect to looting. If they manage to gain the items before you, then yes that means you've lost.

While I have no issue whatsoever with what path anyone takes, or style they decide to play in the game. I do find it ironic when the run to the forums and whine, when they lose at their preferred choice.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#13 - 2015-03-10 14:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
So, the OP wants people to get a weapons timer for an action involving the use of no weapons?

What's next? Jump fatigue when not jumping? Or random booster side-effects without using boosters?

Do I need to explain to you why all of these are horrible ideas?



Learn to scoop yer loot and you won't have this problem.


tl;dr: HTFU.


EDIT: And I say this having recently flown with the OP on a POS Busting mission.

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Zura Namee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-10 14:43:24 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?


It's not actually a problem, you're just whining because you're too slow to get your own loot. If you want your precious loot to be safe, move off the damn undock a bit. Or you know, pvp somewhere else entirely.
thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#15 - 2015-03-10 14:45:26 UTC
Mag's wrote:
thatonepersone wrote:
Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?
The only problem is that you seem to be losing the game, in respect to looting. If they manage to gain the items before you, then yes that means you've lost.

While I have no issue whatsoever with what path anyone takes, or style they decide to play in the game. I do find it ironic when the run to the forums and whine, when they lose at their preferred choice.


thatonepersone wrote:
 I have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2015-03-10 14:52:23 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
Mag's wrote:
thatonepersone wrote:
Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?
The only problem is that you seem to be losing the game, in respect to looting. If they manage to gain the items before you, then yes that means you've lost.

While I have no issue whatsoever with what path anyone takes, or style they decide to play in the game. I do find it ironic when the run to the forums and whine, when they lose at their preferred choice.


thatonepersone wrote:
 I have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff.

I read it and ignored it. Why? Because here you are whining about it. It's your problem therefore you're affected by it. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#17 - 2015-03-10 14:52:50 UTC
So that neutral repping nestor parked in the middle of the station isn't a problem? Or the bands of logi cruisers that rep a station baiter that actually bit off more than he could chew aren't problems? As soon as you think about aggressing a neutral rep on a station they already know they can dock anytime they want. So they take a couple hits while in shields, then dock up to prevent dmg, then undock again with full shields and keep on going.

Not sure if there should really be a timer just for going suspect but there should definitely be an inheritance of a weapons timer for repping someone with a weapons timer.

The only situation I can think of for being suspect having a timer is keeping the station baiters from undocking in something shiney and tanky, getting shot at, then either re-docking immediately or once they have a soft enough target they use their Orca or Bowhead to immediately change to a high dps facemelt Vindicator and demolish the poor sap that was until 2 seconds ago engaging a regular Omen.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-03-10 14:52:50 UTC
Zura Namee wrote:
thatonepersone wrote:
Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?


It's not actually a problem, you're just whining because you're too slow to get your own loot. If you want your precious loot to be safe, move off the damn undock a bit. Or you know, pvp somewhere else entirely.


Camping undock and gates in wardecs is playing the laws of average. Nowhere else you have better chance of finding targets.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#19 - 2015-03-10 14:56:04 UTC
I see no reason for this proposal. The loss of loot in this context is a natural and very minor consequence of that most pointless of activities, station games.

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Arla Sarain
#20 - 2015-03-10 16:28:23 UTC
thatonepersone wrote:
0 risk

thatonepersone wrote:
zero risk.

The risk is that you might shoot them.

If you choose to.
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